Total Aggression frequency ?

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Hey guys !
Can someone explain what it is so i can understand ?
I dont get it really, and can you guys explain when it is good to use it and stuffs.
Its in the PT3 as AFq

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AFq = [bets + raises] / [bets + raises + checks + folds + calls]

Its better than aggression factor, since it converges faster. No clue why people still use AF.
 
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AFq = [bets + raises] / [bets + raises + checks + folds + calls]

Its better than aggression factor, since it converges faster. No clue why people still use AF.
OK thanks but i really dont get it still =/ care to explain it in english ? lol:eek:
 
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Study the equation for a moment. It tells you what percentage of a player's actions are aggressive actions. Betting and raising are aggressive actions. Checking/calling/folding are passive actions.

The AF c9 mentioned is also commonly used, which is Bets+Raises/Calls and does not take checks and folds into account, therefore doesn't give you as true a picture of passiveness. Because checks and folds comprise a large number of player actions, by not counting them in AF it takes a larger sample size for the number to really become meaningful, which is what he means when he says AFq converges faster.
 
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Wouldn't worry about it too much, i still don't understand the aggression stats very well! The most important stuff to understand are Vpip and Pfr. The larger the gap between Vpip/Pfr the more passive the player (generally) So you can usually assume that a 30/2 is loose passive, whereas a 40/30 is loose aggressive. But yeah higher the AFq the more they bet/raise really, the tricky part with aggression stats is remembering that they relate to vpip/pfr also, if a guy is a really tight 12/10 regular then his AFq might be high just because he always has a strong range, so if a 50/40 has a high AFq you can assume that because he's playing so much crap that he's often betting/raising with trash.
 
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Wouldn't worry about it too much, i still don't understand the aggression stats very well! The most important stuff to understand are Vpip and Pfr. The larger the gap between Vpip/Pfr the more passive the player (generally) So you can usually assume that a 30/2 is loose passive, whereas a 40/30 is loose aggressive. But yeah higher the AFq the more they bet/raise really, the tricky part with aggression stats is remembering that they relate to vpip/pfr also, if a guy is a really tight 12/10 regular then his AFq might be high just because he always has a strong range, so if a 50/40 has a high AFq you can assume that because he's playing so much crap that he's often betting/raising with trash.

OK thanks ! So just to be sure, i should 3bet bluff the guys that have lets say 40Vpip and High AFq like 50 ??
Correct me if im wrong cuz i´m not sure...
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I hardly pay attention to AFq either tbh.

The best guys to 3bet bluff are those with a high steal% stat (>30) and a high Foldto3bet% stat (>85) when they open from CO or BTN
 
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I hardly pay attention to AFq either tbh.

The best guys to 3bet bluff are those with a high steal% stat (>30) and a high Foldto3bet% stat (>85) when they open from CO or BTN

You wrote to 3bet bluff those who have a highsteal% and foldto3bet% but then you wrote >30 and >85 (less then 30 and less then 85) you mean higher then 30 and 85 right ??
 
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>30 means higher than 30. What I wrote is correct :)
 
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No problem. Hope you're finding PT3 useful.
 
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No problem. Hope you're finding PT3 useful.

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You mean High "Attempt to steal" which should be higher then 30 ?

How many played hands would you need to have with someone to know that the information is valid ?
Is it like 30+ or what ? And do you guys just sit down and take a break until PT3 has identified a couple of hands ?
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You mean High "Attempt to steal" which should be higher then 30 ?

How many played hands would you need to have with someone to know that the information is valid ?
Is it like 30+ or what ? And do you guys just sit down and take a break until PT3 has identified a couple of hands ?
Thanks !

No, you just learn after playing hands with people, if theyre opening a lot of buttons, co, etc... might take 40 hands to realise they keep opening buttons, might take 200 but doesnt take too long. And also, no i didnt mean 3bet bluff the loose guys with high AFq's, bad players dont like to fold very much its okay to 3bet bluff them if they have a high fold to 3bet but otherwise don't start ****ing with fish cause it wont work for you, just 3bet them guys with pure value hands.
 
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No, you just learn after playing hands with people, if theyre opening a lot of buttons, co, etc... might take 40 hands to realise they keep opening buttons, might take 200 but doesnt take too long. And also, no i didnt mean 3bet bluff the loose guys with high AFq's, bad players dont like to fold very much its okay to 3bet bluff them if they have a high fold to 3bet but otherwise don't start ****ing with fish cause it wont work for you, just 3bet them guys with pure value hands.

Aha Thanks, but how much % is do you recommend is high enough for 3beting and the steal attempt to. How much % do you guys think is good to 3bet ?

Thanks Apprecieate it.
PS. If i write weird its cuz i´m tired as hell.:eek:
 
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Im kinda slow reading the fold to 3bet and all stats, sometimes the timebank finishes... Was it like that first when you guys used it aswell ? And do you think ill be able to get the information quicker and dont need to release my cards cuz i´m that slow ?
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Are you looking at the pop-up window for the foldto3bet stat? That may be why you are timing out.

What you need to do is add your favorite stats to the HUD so you can see them without having to pop-up the window to find them.

Do that by going to configure HUD, creating a new profile, choosing the stats you want and applying the profile to the table. Like I said spend some time playing around with it and getting the HUD to look how you want. For example the default HUD shows the players name, which is totally unnecessary so get rid of that for a start.

Mine is something like:

(Hands)VPIP/PFR/AFq
3bet/Foldto3bet/FlopCbet/FoldtoFlopCbet
TurnCbet/W$SD/Steal%/FoldtoSteal%/Note taker

So it's over 3 lines. I wouldn't bother with all of that at first. The stats I bolded are the most useful.
 
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I honestly think you should stop worring about 3betting light all that often, some of the biggest winners at my stakes are only 3betting like 3% and others will 3bet when someone opens in a steal position over 20%. But when you're playing 10nl theres not much need to worry about 3betting a ton. Yeah if you see someone with a 30%+ steal percentage and a fold to 3bet of 75%+ then every now and then 3bet something like K4s and it will be instantly profitable, but don't be going crazy looking for spots to 3bet light, this is not where we make most of our money, not even close. Learn to find the weaker players, isolate the fish, what boards to cbet, what boards to double barrel, learn to get as much thin value as you can and then you'll make more money than the rest of your field.
 
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You'll need to make your favorite profile the default for the table type so all your 6max cash tables will have it when you start them.

And you can move the HUD into convenient positions on the table and go to 'save layout' by clicking on the PT3 icon at the top of the table.

You're lucky I'm not too busy at work today :D
 
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You'll need to make your favorite profile the default for the table type so all your 6max cash tables will have it when you start them.

And you can move the HUD into convenient positions on the table and go to 'save layout' by clicking on the PT3 icon at the top of the table.

You're lucky I'm not too busy at work today :D

haha thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it, well i´ll make a profile as you said, but if i dont have the name then i maybe will mix the stats with another player maybe or ?
 
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haha thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it, well i´ll make a profile as you said, but if i dont have the name then i maybe will mix the stats with another player maybe or ?

No you wont. Anyway, you can still see the name in the pop-up window. Just move the relevant boxes next to/near the seat where that player is sitting and save the layout. From then on, the HUD boxes will always be in the same place and will refer to whoever is in the seat they are next to.
 
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No you wont. Anyway, you can still see the name in the pop-up window. Just move the relevant boxes next to/near the seat where that player is sitting and save the layout. From then on, the HUD boxes will always be in the same place and will refer to whoever is in the seat they are next to.
ah nice.
However that settings "
(Hands)VPIP/PFR/AFq
3bet/Foldto3bet/FlopCbet/FoldtoFlopCbet
TurnCbet/W$SD/Steal%/FoldtoSteal%/Note taker"

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This, it seems really nice how do i fix this kind of stuffs ? i´m new at this which many of you already knows so if someone could tell me step by step i would be delighted.
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It's going to take too long to tell you step by step, easier if you just go to configure HUD and play with it. That's what I did.

Do it with only one 2nl table running (so you don't have to concentrate on playing at all) and you can see how your changes to the profile affect the HUD each time you change it.
 
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Beginners to tracking software usually go overboard with stats, to the point that they become overwhelmed or at least a slave to the stats. Start with the basic stats on the HUD like VPIP/PFR/AF(q)/cbet/3bet/F3bet and use the pop-ups for less-used stats that you only infrequently need to reference.

As others have said, stop worrying so much about 3betting light and bluffing -- another common beginner mistake. There's not nearly as much bluffing going on in poker as people new to poker assume there is, and at the micros people just don't like to fold so bluffing without a good read or stats just isn't profitable. As a general rule, keep your game tight and aggressive and bet for value. You'll get plenty of takers. You'll also see a lot of suckouts, but such is poker -- the important thing is you're making the +EV moves.

Wouldn't worry about it too much, i still don't understand the aggression stats very well! The most important stuff to understand are Vpip and Pfr. The larger the gap between Vpip/Pfr the more passive the player (generally)
I would tend to disagree, I think aggression stats are very useful. True, for a beginner it's probably easier to just focus on VPIP/PFR because a lot of time it will give you a close approximation of overall aggression. But they're only preflop stats. There are many players, especially at the micros, who have a very passive preflop game because they like to see cheap flops, but love to stab at pots postflop or treat draws like the nuts. So preflop aggression (or lack thereof) can translate to incorrect postflop assumptions with these players. AF/AFq are weighted heavily (3:1) towards postflop aggression and so give you a more accurate read.
 
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It's going to take too long to tell you step by step, easier if you just go to configure HUD and play with it. That's what I did.

Do it with only one 2nl table running (so you don't have to concentrate on playing at all) and you can see how your changes to the profile affect the HUD each time you change it.
OK
I´m Done !
What do you think :D ?

Hands
VP$Ip
PFR
Total AFq
NewLine
3Bet Preflop
Fold to 3Bet
Cbet Flop
Fold to F CBet
CBet Flop
Fold to F CBet
New Line
CBet turn
W$SD
Steal Success
Fold to Steal
Note Editor

Tell me if you see something that i should add or remove !
Thanks guys !:D
 
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well you seem to have...

Cbet Flop
Fold to F CBet

...twice, but that's a typo I think.

Change StealSuccess to AttemptToSteal%

Looks fine apart from that, just try to concentrate on a few at first though (vpip/pfr/3bet/Foldto3bet/Attemptosteal) otherwise will be overwhelming.

Edit: maybe even make a simpler one at first. I have W$SD and TurnCbet on mine but I hardly ever look at them. Should remove probably.
 
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