Tired play = tilt play? Recovering from tilt?

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Hi Guys,

Few questions if you want to dare answer them.

1. Is tired play the same as tilt play?
2. What things do you do to avoid tilt?
3. What type of tilt do you have? (7 types of tilt) readup if you havn't.
4. What mental tricks do you use to keep yourself on the rail (eg. not crashing)

Just focusing on tilt for the rest of the month. So reading up and getting everyones experience with the above.


Thanks have fun with it :)
 
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A little bit of seven types of Tilt ..This is like a seven deadly sins,such a metaphor.Thank you very much.
 
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If im tired, i just quit, im not tilting. I tilt vey hard but sometimes i have the entitlement tilt ( like phil helmuth, when a weaker player than me beats me), im just trying to be emotionless ( i say " they are just money, i made the correct decision") p.s : im a winning player :D
 
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Tired play.... Hmmm. Only = tilt play if you lose focus. Sometimes when I am tired I can focus real well cause I am so relaxed. BUT..... I have played tired and was like "I will just go all in here, if I fly then I can at least get some sleep" So that play sucks.

Tired does not have to equal tilt, but focus should be the ... well... uhhh.. Focus... lol
 
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1. Yes and no. Classic tilt tends to be more spewy while "tired" tilt is usually lazy. Regardless, both result in poor play.

2. I don't tilt really at all anymore. A conscious effort to combat it basically killed it entirely.

3. Refer to above answer. When I did tilt it was mostly from my own mistakes rather than coolers.

4. I'm assuming you mean tricks to keep awake, alert, etc. IMO, I think poker players severely underestimate the value of an overall healthy lifestyle, including diet and exercise. Eating poorly can make you very sluggish and being out of shape not only speeds up the onset of fatigue but also chips away at your confidence. Your life away from the tables has just as much of an effect on your play as what happens on the tables.
 
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I suffer greatly from mistake tilt. The money I lose via a mistake I want to get back through a mistake because that's the only real way of getting it back. Everyday I try to have "mistake free" session but I can't do it just yet it seems.

For now I have stopped big bluffing entirely because it's actually those mistakes which send me into hyper mode.

I also suffered greatly from revenge tilt in the past but its something I have almost eliminated now.

I cringe at thinking what my online poker graph would have been without tilt. But I will one day have a tilt free sample of hands which will truly reflect my win rate. This is what I am working at right now.

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Tired play and tilt are somewhat hand in hand. If you're completed fumed then your tilt will take a play because you want the game to end quicker than it will (my experience). I think it depends on your experience in the 'long' run of a tournament and the personal adjustments that you must be aware of to adjust your game to the current climate.

My tilt is typically when I get a bad beat at the beginning. I realize that there is little hope for me continuing the tournament by being beat by some stupid hand that I can't change and I get it in and move on.

As far as mental tricks.. well just don't be mental ;). No keep your head in the game from the beginning to the end and play your cards to the best of your ability. Overtime, that will show how well you play compared to if you are on tilt or whether you made the right move and to buy-in to another tournament.
 
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Tired play.... Hmmm. Only = tilt play if you lose focus. Sometimes when I am tired I can focus real well cause I am so relaxed. BUT..... I have played tired and was like "I will just go all in here, if I fly then I can at least get some sleep" So that play sucks.

Tired does not have to equal tilt, but focus should be the ... well... uhhh.. Focus... lol


lol sounds good... but big loss i ain't sleeping haha
 
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1. Yes and no. Classic tilt tends to be more spewy while "tired" tilt is usually lazy. Regardless, both result in poor play.

2. I don't tilt really at all anymore. A conscious effort to combat it basically killed it entirely.

3. Refer to above answer. When I did tilt it was mostly from my own mistakes rather than coolers.

4. I'm assuming you mean tricks to keep awake, alert, etc. IMO, I think poker players severely underestimate the value of an overall healthy lifestyle, including diet and exercise. Eating poorly can make you very sluggish and being out of shape not only speeds up the onset of fatigue but also chips away at your confidence. Your life away from the tables has just as much of an effect on your play as what happens on the tables.



I eat very well... I need to add a few days exercise in my week.
 
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I suffer greatly from mistake tilt. The money I lose via a mistake I want to get back through a mistake because that's the only real way of getting it back. Everyday I try to have "mistake free" session but I can't do it just yet it seems.

For now I have stopped big bluffing entirely because it's actually those mistakes which send me into hyper mode.

I also suffered greatly from revenge tilt in the past but its something I have almost eliminated now.

I cringe at thinking what my online poker graph would have been without tilt. But I will one day have a tilt free sample of hands which will truly reflect my win rate. This is what I am working at right now.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk


Sounds like me a while back... Now i purely focus on each individual hand... I play 24 tables so all i can say is Optimal? and since i started this, i'm back in form.

Plugging away at leaks is best way as well even if your doing big winrates. I had winners tilt i guess and over confident and that allowed common leaks in my game such as not 3betting enough and cold calling too much in spots where i shouldn't.
 
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hi i tilt to avoid sitting out a smoke intact crashed when I try to play calmly and not thinking how I failed that Jesus now: D
 
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If im tired, i just quit, im not tilting.
 
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just dont play i know sometimes its hard but if you quit you will thank yourself tmrw..
 
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I read years ago that when you're sleep deprived your brain starts producing more dopamine and you get more impulsive & less risk averse. I think this can either be good if your naturally a bit of a nit or really bad if you're spewy and prone to tilt. I vaguely remember tom dwan getting pissed that people would only play him when they were aware he was awake for like 24 hours.

I think so long as your self aware of how tired you are and how it may be affecting your play you'll remain +ev. I've definitely forced myself to log off even though I had the itch to play late at night because I just knew I was on the verge of doing something too aggressive/gambly. If that's a decision you can make while others keep playing, in a way that helps your winrate.
 
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I read years ago that when you're sleep deprived your brain starts producing more dopamine and you get more impulsive & less risk averse. I think this can either be good if your naturally a bit of a nit or really bad if you're spewy and prone to tilt. I vaguely remember tom dwan getting pissed that people would only play him when they were aware he was awake for like 24 hours.

I think so long as your self aware of how tired you are and how it may be affecting your play you'll remain +ev. I've definitely forced myself to log off even though I had the itch to play late at night because I just knew I was on the verge of doing something too aggressive/gambly. If that's a decision you can make while others keep playing, in a way that helps your winrate.


The first part you said was interesting and i think if people start playing out of the square it could hurt decisions.. so as long as ppl play robotic should b np

Same as driving we can all drive if need b with no sleep along roads we all know n go on time and time again but if the abnormal happens then crashes begin
 
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Hope all is going well and glad to meet you. I have been working on tilt everyday especially when I purchased two books concerning the mental game that also includes your topic more than a year ago. Since then I have focused on tilt just as I would with any other part of poker.

The longer the brain is used to play poker and this means not just playing but how the brain stores information gathered since playing poker. Why this is important because poker players will eventually want to learn more about why, when, and how they tilt as an example, just as they would about any other concept of poker but to appreciate tilt a player must embrace tilt in the same way as they would any other aspect of poker.

Listing all forms of tilt can help but the real problem of tilt comes uniquely to each person because it hinges more on how they have built their game that shows how attached, how much or what kind of tilt has control on their game. This is why building a mental model of yourself as well as your opponent(s) are very important routines to do as a poker player each time we play a session.

Making mistakes, tilt or any other examples that I could give about the game is a natural part of poker, because the brain learns information, then repeated decisions at or away from the table become routine to the point of learning them to the level of unconscious competence, good decisions, bad decisions, and any other term that represents good and bad is stored in our brain.

As we further our journey in poker conscious decisions, unconscious decisions have now been routinely made over and over in each of our games that when playing become fluid from information that has been stored up to the minute before playing a session. Some of these routine decisions become patterns in our game good and bad.

When playing conscious decisions come from books, videos, strategies, forums, talking with friends and unconscious decisions comes from our actual play, the ability to perform by making a decision that comes from information from previous sessions. Unconscious decisions make up our primary play in a session and throughout our career.

When analyzing tilt, when a person tries to avoid tilt, a person now is not recognizing an opportunity to put mental triggers as a part of their game that would help to recognize tilt instead. This recognition helps a player get to the root cause of tilt, then have the ability to understand, learn, and then possibly learned what has tilted a player to the point of unconscious competence. That previously in sessions where tilt has derailed their game because there is no way to avoid, control, or completely get rid of any form of tilt; it is stored in our brain and is part of who we are as players.


The reason we as players believe they have simulated control, the player has learned what the root cause of their tilt, the beginning of why they tilted as an example. The reasons they tilted are still there and in times when we are tired or any other example I could give can and will from time to time come back out of no where and zap us with its sting. We as players can interchange our information to help inchworm our game but what is stored will have to be consistently monitored when it comes to playing our "A" game consistently over the long run as long as possible until time will erode our session. Our game starts going downwards, a person needs triggers of recognition built and maintained in their individual game to give them a better chance at success.

This mental method allows the person to recognize this from the conscious mind to trigger the brain not to let them tilt from unconscious actions of tilt that are about to happen, mental triggers are key for recognition before or even after tilt had just begun. The effectiveness of this hinges on how evolved, the degree of severity, and the willingness to be honest with themselves about their game, this will show how much control they actually have over the conscious and unconscious decisions they make in each session.

I have journaled thoughts about my play about tilt, listed my actions about my game and how this relates to tilt. I then continued to play and when I analyzed my mental game afterwards then I journaled again about my session until I could start making a mental model of this part of my game just as I would about my game when I was playing, then make the mental model afterwards away from the table this mental model is the mental after model of my game. If I am not honest about my session my after mental model will not be accurate or show small gains in my mental game.

In conclusion, I could post more about this subject, however, I believe it is more important to build small amounts of information properly to instill, to store in brain properly to recall new or existing information when pressure to perform as needed for my actual game and my mental game to perform at its best each session. As time went along instead of going back through my notes before each session to remind my conscious mind of my mental leaks, I made a poker compass, a mental model of my game that I could cross reference while playing, away from the table, at the table, this information is about my game and universally about my opponents, with mental room to build specific information about my opponents in a session but it takes time, patience, to know information to the point of mastery.

The poker compass has bullet points of information, this represents information I have learned to the level of unconscious competence, information that is not bullet pointed has definitions or short hand information that needs to be read because it is not learned to the same point and I have to remind myself about this information. What this helps with, I can see small increments of growth and then adjust my model to take the information that was defined with small paragraphs of information to just bullet points. This allows for new information or new mental leaks to be defined. The journey continues with this model in place every day.

However, one last thought a person will also have mistakes learned to the point of unconscious competence and the real test is can a person trigger their conscious mind to recognize that a mistake they make is actually a mistake, be willing to change this or lie to themselves and say this decision in my game is not mistake? Because without being honest to police themselves, or have another person they can trust, then sweat the information about what they say about their game is hard to do as well. Ego is a tough for a player to let go when information that is brutally honest the player recognizes about themselves or what others recognize about our game because no player likes to admit they could have been wrong. This could lead to shame or the player could wonder why I am even playing poker, then quit before they can fix a part of their game that would lead them to the next level.

The brain is very good at fooling us because we are making decisions good and bad learned to the point unconscious competence at or away from the table so, this is part of why tilt is an elusive topic to master. In the end a lot of what we do that used to be a mistake after fixing is now not a mistake and some of what we think was not a mistake will eventually become a mistake that needs to be fixed because of how we evolve as players and the desire to get better.

Learning new and fixing existing information creates this paradox of thought in the brain about poker because poker is abstract but we react concretely from how the brain uses stored information with no conscious thought. This is why when I analyze poker much of what I have learned, read about poker, that to break through levels or fixing tilt as a couple of examples, the better players understand that poker is unnatural for the brain to process information, learn, because of the interaction of the human element, and the game being abstract. I believe what I can exploit or when I get exploited comes from this understanding of how the brain works when making poker decisions, whether it is tilt or any other example. I hope you have success with studying tilt.
 
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omg tilting its very bad motion. but i sit out and i tilting other room :D
 
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Playing with a little tilt is never a bad thing. Neither is being aggressive with your chips, but if you're always playing tilt from being tired of playing, you'll never rake in a huge amount in big tournaments.
 
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I get a guy allin on the turn, drawing really thin, less than 20, most times much worse and hits his miracle. Two or three of those within an hour or so will send me thru the roof.
 
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Hope all is going well and glad to meet you. I have been working on tilt everyday especially when I purchased two books concerning the mental game that also includes your topic more than a year ago. Since then I have focused on tilt just as I would with any other part of poker.

The longer the brain is used to play poker and this means not just playing but how the brain stores information gathered since playing poker. Why this is important because poker players will eventually want to learn more about why, when, and how they tilt as an example, just as they would about any other concept of poker but to appreciate tilt a player must embrace tilt in the same way as they would any other aspect of poker.

Listing all forms of tilt can help but the real problem of tilt comes uniquely to each person because it hinges more on how they have built their game that shows how attached, how much or what kind of tilt has control on their game. This is why building a mental model of yourself as well as your opponent(s) are very important routines to do as a poker player each time we play a session.

Making mistakes, tilt or any other examples that I could give about the game is a natural part of poker, because the brain learns information, then repeated decisions at or away from the table become routine to the point of learning them to the level of unconscious competence, good decisions, bad decisions, and any other term that represents good and bad is stored in our brain.

As we further our journey in poker conscious decisions, unconscious decisions have now been routinely made over and over in each of our games that when playing become fluid from information that has been stored up to the minute before playing a session. Some of these routine decisions become patterns in our game good and bad.

When playing conscious decisions come from books, videos, strategies, forums, talking with friends and unconscious decisions comes from our actual play, the ability to perform by making a decision that comes from information from previous sessions. Unconscious decisions make up our primary play in a session and throughout our career.

When analyzing tilt, when a person tries to avoid tilt, a person now is not recognizing an opportunity to put mental triggers as a part of their game that would help to recognize tilt instead. This recognition helps a player get to the root cause of tilt, then have the ability to understand, learn, and then possibly learned what has tilted a player to the point of unconscious competence. That previously in sessions where tilt has derailed their game because there is no way to avoid, control, or completely get rid of any form of tilt; it is stored in our brain and is part of who we are as players.


The reason we as players believe they have simulated control, the player has learned what the root cause of their tilt, the beginning of why they tilted as an example. The reasons they tilted are still there and in times when we are tired or any other example I could give can and will from time to time come back out of no where and zap us with its sting. We as players can interchange our information to help inchworm our game but what is stored will have to be consistently monitored when it comes to playing our "A" game consistently over the long run as long as possible until time will erode our session. Our game starts going downwards, a person needs triggers of recognition built and maintained in their individual game to give them a better chance at success.

This mental method allows the person to recognize this from the conscious mind to trigger the brain not to let them tilt from unconscious actions of tilt that are about to happen, mental triggers are key for recognition before or even after tilt had just begun. The effectiveness of this hinges on how evolved, the degree of severity, and the willingness to be honest with themselves about their game, this will show how much control they actually have over the conscious and unconscious decisions they make in each session.

I have journaled thoughts about my play about tilt, listed my actions about my game and how this relates to tilt. I then continued to play and when I analyzed my mental game afterwards then I journaled again about my session until I could start making a mental model of this part of my game just as I would about my game when I was playing, then make the mental model afterwards away from the table this mental model is the mental after model of my game. If I am not honest about my session my after mental model will not be accurate or show small gains in my mental game.

In conclusion, I could post more about this subject, however, I believe it is more important to build small amounts of information properly to instill, to store in brain properly to recall new or existing information when pressure to perform as needed for my actual game and my mental game to perform at its best each session. As time went along instead of going back through my notes before each session to remind my conscious mind of my mental leaks, I made a poker compass, a mental model of my game that I could cross reference while playing, away from the table, at the table, this information is about my game and universally about my opponents, with mental room to build specific information about my opponents in a session but it takes time, patience, to know information to the point of mastery.

The poker compass has bullet points of information, this represents information I have learned to the level of unconscious competence, information that is not bullet pointed has definitions or short hand information that needs to be read because it is not learned to the same point and I have to remind myself about this information. What this helps with, I can see small increments of growth and then adjust my model to take the information that was defined with small paragraphs of information to just bullet points. This allows for new information or new mental leaks to be defined. The journey continues with this model in place every day.

However, one last thought a person will also have mistakes learned to the point of unconscious competence and the real test is can a person trigger their conscious mind to recognize that a mistake they make is actually a mistake, be willing to change this or lie to themselves and say this decision in my game is not mistake? Because without being honest to police themselves, or have another person they can trust, then sweat the information about what they say about their game is hard to do as well. Ego is a tough for a player to let go when information that is brutally honest the player recognizes about themselves or what others recognize about our game because no player likes to admit they could have been wrong. This could lead to shame or the player could wonder why I am even playing poker, then quit before they can fix a part of their game that would lead them to the next level.

The brain is very good at fooling us because we are making decisions good and bad learned to the point unconscious competence at or away from the table so, this is part of why tilt is an elusive topic to master. In the end a lot of what we do that used to be a mistake after fixing is now not a mistake and some of what we think was not a mistake will eventually become a mistake that needs to be fixed because of how we evolve as players and the desire to get better.

Learning new and fixing existing information creates this paradox of thought in the brain about poker because poker is abstract but we react concretely from how the brain uses stored information with no conscious thought. This is why when I analyze poker much of what I have learned, read about poker, that to break through levels or fixing tilt as a couple of examples, the better players understand that poker is unnatural for the brain to process information, learn, because of the interaction of the human element, and the game being abstract. I believe what I can exploit or when I get exploited comes from this understanding of how the brain works when making poker decisions, whether it is tilt or any other example. I hope you have success with studying tilt.


Great read m8. And that is why poker is so popular bc it is so hard to master and the game always changes n evolves ... unlearn relearn
 
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I think tilt is a little board,always the same,when is important always lose on turn or river......never will understand......
 
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Dont play tired

Hi Guys,

Few questions if you want to dare answer them.

1. Is tired play the same as tilt play?
2. What things do you do to avoid tilt?
3. What type of tilt do you have? (7 types of tilt) readup if you havn't.
4. What mental tricks do you use to keep yourself on the rail (eg. not crashing)

Just focusing on tilt for the rest of the month. So reading up and getting everyones experience with the above.


Thanks have fun with it :)
there is nothing you can do when you take a bad beat that will win the hand back, just get over it and fast .
 
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1. No, but it's potentially just as bad.
Looking back at my sessions, there's a very strong correlation between playing tired and losing. I believe this is my biggest leak.

2. Have a very good understanding of variance and apply good bankroll management, and tilt should not be a problem.

3. I had to look these 7 types up. I'm convinced I don't tilt, and reading about the 7 types more or less reaffirmed that.

4. What I should do, but don't do often enough, is realizing that I'm too tired to play properly, and then just not play.
While playing, when I realize that the auto-pilot has kicked in, and I've lost focus, I do a breathing exercise where I take a deep breath and then try to exhale ALL the air in my lungs and then take a deep breath again to fill them with new air. Tends to keep me sharp(er).
 
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