Tight vs Loose, a question -
A lot of the players here are net plus tight players. Is the main reason for this simply - You play so few hands because you play so many tables?
I could go into an argument that a hand like 78s is more likely to crack AA then say . . . KK, which I'm sure it is, but the amount of time to play a hand like 78s, make your decisions, finesse the table, manipulate the pot --- Ugh, I'm losing myself.
You don't play 78s out of position because you're playing a lot of tables and waiting for premium hands? What if you were playing one table. Say in a premium tournament and you wanted all your attention on the tournament. Do you consider opening the pot with this hand?
I like to raise with this hand out of position if I feel the table will be lucrative. And I've seen a hand analasys where somebody called with 78 or 89s, and got raised all in against a guy playing QJs, called for a fraction of his chipstack (1/6th), and cracked the guy with two pair...
A lot of the posts in the thread were "Fold preflop." Really!? Wow . . . I wouldn't consider 78s a 'premium' by any stretch of the word, but it's definitely a hand I'd want to take to a flop, so calling, or even raising under the gun with it is 1: going to disguise the strength of my hand, and 2: when I hit, going to be more likely to get called by a hand that missed that thinks I'm c-betting to make people fold. For instance, let's put it against AKo.
Me under the gun, dealt 78s, raises to 3 BBs, folded around to our friend, dealt QJs, say as button, pushes all in for 10 BBs. Folded around to me.
Now, since I'm under the gun playing at a table of people who know what us going on, I'm assuming the player expects to be behind, and could have any ace, but most likely wouldn't play a hand like to be dominated by an under the gun raise, so we assume he has either a pocket pair, or low suited connectors (I would consider QJ to be the top of this spectrum, if he puts me on AKs, AKo, and he hopes I don't have AQs or AQo, or AA-JJ.
But he's gotta make a move because he only has 10 BBs. So while it is possible he has AA-22, or a hand like QJs down, I have to assume he is playing something that he would have called here if he had a stack, but since he lacks a stack, he's doing what he can with what he's got.
Best case scenario, he's got two suited overs, which I am about what? 33-40% to win? The pot has 14.5BB, and costs me 7BB to see 5 cards.
If you only get your money in good every hand, your potential of busting a hand like say, AA or AKs, which is what tight players favor, you are not going to have any big pots with these players. Suppose I have 87s vs AKs, I know my opponent is tight. The flop comes 7TK, with my non-paired cards in my suit. Top-pair top kicker is going to bet a lot to shake a draw here. And I'm going to have outs. I would have no problem calling a pot-sized bet here, as I have two 7's, 3 8's, 9 flush outs, as well as running straight cards, and I get to play for this guy's stack, because online players love betting top pair top kicker like it's immortal.
Am I wrong for my playstyle? I know a looser player is going to have bigger swings, but you have the potential to crack premium hands this way, instead of just set-mining and playing premiums.
So, that is my argument for opening your range of hands. If the reason a tight player plays a lot of tables and just waits for premiums is beacuse 1: he is playing a lot of tables and wants to make money, fine, I accept this as an answer. But occaisonally playing a hand like 87s in or out of position, why not do this? And maybe I mistook the range of hands a 'tight player' is willing to play. In which case, just let me know.
Just trying to get some intellectual discussion that will give me some brain food to help my game, all discussion is welcome.