Thoughts on this river call?

Hero JJ

UTG+2 Calls .05
HERO Raises .20
UTG +2 Calls .15

FLOP Ac 8c 5h

UTG+2 Bets .20
HERO Calls .20

TURN Ts

UTG+2 Bets .50
HERO Calls .50

RIVER Th

UTG+2 All-in $3.10
HERO Calls $3.10

Thoughts?

u play like calling station, in flop need raise, what look its action, if he call next check-fold. turn river.. In river this easy fold , he has a very wide range and we dont know nothing about UTG+2

you have to be very cautious there as villain was on early position. i cant understand your call on turn and river, i mean you havent got much value there for a showdown as he could be having at least the ace or even set of tens. I assume you consider he was bluffing, or with a medium or small pair, however these is very unlikely due to the position he was playing. i think your turn and especially your river call was just terrble, because there are a wide range of hands that beat you not only any ace, or ten but any qq,kk,aa.

Yeah its pretty unlikely you're ahead in that spot considering the agressive betting from your opponent. The calls seem more stubborn than practical

My guess is he has Tens Full of Aces. I am sure your Jacks will be good.

My thought process was since he limped in preflop and called my raise that his hand was not very strong and more than likely a speculative hand such as a suited connector or small pocket pair.

My call on the flop was just to see what he did on the turn, since I did have 2nd pair I could of had the best hand and he could of been attempting to steal.

The turn call was probably the worst part of the hand and I probably should of folded there, but I called thinking if a club or a 9 came on the river I could steal the pot if he put me on a draw and thought it got there on the river. Also, my Jacks could still be the best hand since I really did not think he would limp call an ace from early position preflop.

Now lets get to the river, in all honesty if he bets one to two thirds pot, I probably fold. Instead the villian shoves, why?

Did he think I would call if I was drawing? Probably not.

Did he have pocket 8's or 5's for a set and was hoping I had a strong ace? Quite possible, but I would not think someone would flat the flop and turn with a strong Ace on such a draw heavy board.

Did he bet the flop with nothing and hit runner runner 10's for trips? Unlikely

So why would he shove here? There is just no value in it and his whole line did not make sense from preflop with the limp call. If he does have a set which is now a full house on the river, would he really shove to make it look like a bluff? Kind of doubt it.

as played fold the turn

Dont have any problem be blufed some times with A over there and playing witha fish you know they love traps enjoy traps, the all in in turn tell you 2 things ATo (2 pair) our a low Ax ou Ax hi, i dont see full house over there but e see some frustation in our game, maybe you win the hand ok but in long run you ill lose lots of money making that kind of calls.

rumsey182 said:

as played fold the turn

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Since I suspected I had the best hand, should I have raised the turn for information?

not a good call.. there really isn't much you can beat there. imo he has atleast an ace. what was the result there?

you could try the reraise flop to see if he does have an ace, otherwise Ive no problem folding, especially on river
edit: or not- villain dependant too

houtlijm said:

not a good call.. there really isn't much you can beat there. imo he has atleast an ace. what was the result there?

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He had open ended straight and flush draws on the flop and missed so he bluff shoved, I didn't think a strong Ace would limp call preflop, so I then thought that if he did limp call a weak ace, he would not shove with it on the river, he would probably check, and if he had trip 10's he more than likely would not shove there for value.

Also, I thought he might of put me on a draw too since I called behind, which would make a bluff more likely.

After UTG+2 betting the flop YOU could raise him back and see where in the hand he was, you are representing A, so if he calls he got the A -90% or had better hand than pair A, it is easy fold after turn or river, but he may also be in a chase for flush, but after the way you played the hand its better to fold the river raise... That's what I think.

for me you made at least two mistakes. First you had the position preflop, right? but then he donkbet you and you didn´t raise after flop, what he had (the ace???) maybe but you let the action continue from this point but the position was in the other side, the side of the villain

and second mistake occurred when you started calling him every station after flop,

anyway there are no information about villain, so no much more to say

I actually think this is a good call(in certain situations) giving the increased bet size on the river. Villain went from 20 to 50 to $3.10 huge overbet on the river. If he had any kind of a real hand he would be betting for value. Looks like a missed str8 or flush bluff bet. OBV calling here won't be profitable in the longrun but if you have a good read on villain, I don't mind the call.


Edit: Obv you should of raised the flop to see where you were at in the hand.

Don't really like the river call, but meh, it's not terrible. I've played a lot of hands and usually small bets followed by a river ship are monsters... unless we know villain is a maniac.

IPlay said:

Also, my Jacks could still be the best hand since I really did not think he would limp call an ace from early position preflop.

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And ideas like this one you need to squash right now. Limp calling with Ax is more than likely, I would put every single A in his range.

Cafeman said:

Don't really like the river call, but meh, it's not terrible. I've played a lot of hands and usually small bets followed by a river ship are monsters... unless we know villain is a maniac.

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While villain would do that with a small ace, do you think he would do that with AK or AQ? I can see someone doing that with a small suited ace, but I don't see villain river shoving with a weak ace.

I was really only worried about villian limping with a pocket pair and hitting a set that turned full house on the river, now that you mention it I could see a monster hand getting shoved there to be disguised as a bluff since he would of had pretty much the nuts. Thanks for the advice!

IPlay said:

Since I suspected I had the best hand, should I have raised the turn for information?

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that is awful reasoning to raise you force villain to basically play you perfectly

flop - raise/fold
turn - check 80% raise 20% /fold
river - check/fold

Looking at the hand from the outside he didn't play this well and it cost him.
He didn't bet big enough on the flop he has 56% equity and should be betting full pot on the flop and getting it all in if you raise to get full value from both streets.
As it played out his turn bet wasn't great either as he should now be putting you on something fairly decent probably an ace and you aren't going to go away to that bet sizing meanwhile his equity has dropped to 34%.
In the end you were underdog and fortunate he didn't hit one of his outs turn or river but then you made a well reasoned hero call well done.
Bear in mind if I was him and had a set I wouldn't have played it that much different maybe a little more on the turn and with the ace on the board looking to get in all in on the river so sometimes you will read this wrong.