Originally Posted by IPlay
So you ARE asking how to play this hand? You make no sense and the call is obviously a horrible call only beating a bluff. This is how a villian would play a hand like JJ against a short stacker(weak player) and hope they call off with top pair. I really doubt many villians are shoving 52bb's in hopes of bluffing a 6.5bb pot.
With all that aside is calling 52bb's into a pot you got 2bb's invested in with middle pair ever a winning play? ESPECIALLY with no read on the villian? Your theory of calling if you are "playing" aka running good is a horrible way to make a decision and sounds more like a gambler than a poker player.
I am pretty curious about the hand/point of this thread though, it is a obviously standard fold. I am assuming you made the call and won the hand and this is possibly a subtle brag thread? Or you folded and for some strange reason feel like it was a bad fold?
If you folded, good job, if you called, bad job(rather you won the pot or not)
Maybe I should have put this in the analysis thread instead, but we're here now so.....
I really wasn't asking how to play the hand because I believe there are multiple ways to play this. But after talking to a friend about it and reading some of the responses, looks like I chose the worst of my options again. ( no surprise, it's usually what I do) Also, I wasn't try to brag either because I would have put this up as a general question had I lost the hand. I haven't run into this situation but a couple of times in the last 3 months where the action by V completely says bluff to me. Usually, I have a monster (easy call) or nothing (easy fold) This time, I realize I was not real strong, but I was not totally weak either. thus, the question. (apparently posed poorly)
Since we're talking about the actual hand now, here was my thinking during it.
#1 V opens super wide on button (as I do) and I don't like 3 betting oop with a med pp I'll do it with 10 10 about 50% of the time. I know I'm giving up some value, but that is a part of my cash game that I'm still working on. (started about 4 months ago)
#2 My thinking post flop on a 10 7 5 rainbow board was to check raise. I was completely expecting V to c bet here. Now if he 3 bets me in this spot (which I expect from good players and better hands) then it's an easy fold.
wouldn't any V worth a sh-t value bet me to death here with a hand like JJ?
I could and would have laid this down with 2 overs or a K or Q on the flop.
I think I can count on 1 hand the number of times that a villain has pushed on me and I've called and been behind in the last 4 months. (either that or I have a terrible memory) I learned something about 3 months ago that has held true about 95% of the time with regards to a V's bet(s). So given V's position, a 10 high rainbow flop and a push over bet by V, I figured he was bluffing.
For what it's worth, I called (obviously) V turned over AQ and I held up.
He was definitely stronger than I originally thought, but my limited (as much as you can have one on Bovada) read was correct.
I had a BR of $360 when I bought into the table. As I said before, I know I'm not rolled for this and do not play this level often. But I am comfortable taking a shot once or twice a week. I have an initial investment of $75 dollars. I play .05/.10 and .02/.05 mostly with some trnys mixed in.
What I've learned from this hand. 3 betting here with 88 is a must. Calling post flop was at best a gamble. Am I missing anything?
Thanks for any additional comments.