Thinkers=Bluffers???

Situation:
Early in tourney- lets say second blind elevation.
No reads on other players yet- all have been playing solid poker
I have AKs and raise 3x from button, SB calls, BB calls
Flop comes:
Kc4d3d
SB checks, BB checks, I bet 3/4 pot
SB folds, BB calls quickly
Turn:
Td- essentially a blank
SB checks, I bet pot
SB thinks and thinks and thinks and thinks then goes all in
What do you think?
1- bluff- he has nothing and is hoping to get you out of the hand
2- monster- flopped a set or two pair and doesn't want you to draw out on him
3- Bathroom- had to go take a wiz and just made it back in time then decided to go all in with a Ten
4- Other option
This happened to me a couple of nights ago and I ended up calling his all in.
Results to come after I get your feedback (sorry for the tease but I don't want to ruin the feedback by providing you with what actually happened)
Thanks.
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Why is the 10d a blank, it fills a flush draw which is very likely after a check and quick call. He also might have thought a long hard time considering calling/shoving and which is more profitable.

how is the Ten of diamonds a blank when it completes a flush draw?

Edit: Steve beat me to it!

This is one of the tougher parts of online play is deciphering what the long wait for a call could be. Hell it could even be that his/her internet sucks and just took a long time to send the signal through. However, imo normally if someone is thinking its because their thinking of making a move, not just debating a call.

Solid play dictates you think 2. WHich means it gonna take luck for you to overtake him/her. Early on makes me think it's a bluff but you have to err on the side of caution. FOLD! He's got a baby flush!
Peace,
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The 10d would probably scare me cause I have seen the flush fill alot lately.

It seems obvious BB made the flush. I would attribute the long wait to be because he/she is not holding the Ace - the nut flush. I think there is a Jack high flush there.

I would have figured flush as well, but what if......

Q K possible, one of them a diamond? Figures to have top pair withdecent kicker and a solid (Q or K high) flush draw with the river stillto come. Maybe he is trying to sell the flush early in hopes ofstealing the pot early. He figures he will put you to the test, hopingyou fold (fearing the flush and/or straight draw) and he never has tosee the river?

That seems like a pretty huge all in bet. Too big to be a bluff maybe.

I would say from their position,maybe 5/6d,6/8d,k rag d,definatly would fold the a/k with the flush on the board,seems like if they are bluffing they played it right.
with the quik call on the raise after the flop I would probably put them on something like k ?d,maybe k10d,k8d something to the flush though for sure.
If not still not worth the call in my opion.

checkoutcardschat said:

Situation:
Early in tourney- lets say second blind elevation.
No reads on other players yet- all have been playing solid poker
I have AKs and raise 3x from button, SB calls, BB calls
Flop comes:
Kc4d3d
SB checks, BB checks, I bet 3/4 pot
SB folds, BB calls quickly
Turn:
Td- essentially a blank
SB checks, I bet pot
SB thinks and thinks and thinks and thinks then goes all in
What do you think?
1- Bluff- he has nothing and is hoping to get you out of the hand
2- monster- flopped a set or two pair and doesn't want you to draw out on him
3- Bathroom- had to go take a wiz and just made it back in time then decided to go all in with a Ten
4- Other option
This happened to me a couple of nights ago and I ended up calling his all in.
Results to come after I get your feedback (sorry for the tease but I don't want to ruin the feedback by providing you with what actually happened)
Thanks.
checkout

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.. as others have said... how is the 10d possibly a blank?
The 'quick call' on the flop is often a common 'online tell' for someone who is on a draw.... if he had a good hand... would he not possibly pause to consider putting in a raise...
I would have to fold here.
Pot bet on turn seems pretty high... you're obviously representing something and he figures he has you beat (and maybe counting on you to call with a made flush and not wanting you to drw out with say Ad-Kx).
Who knows...I wasn't there watching the game to be able to give an intelligent response anyways...

Oh yah... one other thing... I thought the sb called here O.O.P. & the bb came in behind preflop. THen I thought the sb folded once you bet 3/4pot on the flop?
For the bigblind to check/call here on the flop.... what's it telling you? (maybe a monster?.. maybe a bad player??.. does he normally semi-bluff bet out draws on the flop?... or just strong draws?... is he holding something like K-T and has just hit 2pr. on the turn??... maybe he called behind preflop w 44... maybe he's an idiot??... have you played any hands up to this point? if so.. did you show down something that represented strong if you'd c-bet prior??).

Well

What did he have? I think he had 2p coming from the big blind.I have all to often been set-up with high PP's vs other high PP's.I float with caution early in the tourney.Better safe than sorry eh?!

Unless you notice a pattern with timing beforehand, I don't think it is a good idea to assume a bluff only by them thinking. It could be they are considering whether you or another opponent has the hand or one of the few hands that beat him/her.

he could have a pair with a big diamond and that turn could have gave him alot more outs in his mind and maybe he put you on air onthe flop and thinks his small pair and flush draw is the best hand

its really hard to put some one on a hand that early in a tourney all you can do is go down the range of hands he could have and how he would play those hands..gl at the tables

Doesnt it matter what the buy in here is also?

In a freeroll this could be anything including air or middle pair. If not, I agree he either has a baby flush or the K of diamonds at the very least.

That turn isnt even close to a blank. Its a huge scare card. It also makes K/10, which is a possible holding here... waaaay out in front.