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Hey everyone. I've been spending the day trying to work out some tough spots I've been having at the table. I'm American so for me anyway, that means a real felt table. One of the toughest spots, for me anyway, is when I raise pre-flop and then get led into on the flop by a player who in a perfect world should be respecting my raise as a sign of strength. In poker parlance this is called a Donk Bet and there doesn't seem to be any consensus about what this means.

OOP vs a supposedly strong hand is just such a bad place to bluff that it has to mean something but rarely do I ever see anyone show up with a monster. I still have a substantial database of hand histories from the good ol' days to fall back on so I thought it might be fun to put together a little quiz. Below are 3 hands where a preflop raiser (not always me) is bet into on the flop. The hand is played out until no further action is possible and then you are given a choice of 4 possible hands. There's no trick. In each case, one of the hands is correct. I will post a total of 10 hands and then post the best scores in a few days. For now I'll just PM the correct answers to the players and in a week or so I'll post them in the thread.

I've got to go for now but I'll pick this up again later on tonight. GL

The Blinds are $2/$4
Villain UTG ($340) limps in UTG.
You’re on the CO ($270) and raise to $16 with :kd4: :kc4:
Both blinds fold and Villain call for $12 more.
{$42}
The flop comes :6d4: :3s4: :8d4: and Villain leads out for $25.You put him on a flush draw or maybe top pair with an ace and make it $85 to go and he calls.
{$212}
The turn is a the :2h4:. Villain checks. This isn’t a totally hamless card as it just made a possible straight but you haven’t heard back from him yet so having no reason to believe you’re not still good you stick in your last $185 and he calls ending the action.

What does he have?
A) :ad4: :3d4:
B) :6h4: :7s4:
C) :4c4: :5c4:
D) :ah4: :8s4:

The Blinds are $.50/$1.00
It folds around to a player in MP ($86.50) who opens for $3.50
Everyone folds except for the BB ($47.30) who calls.
{$7.50}
We have no info on either player.
The flop comes :jc4: :2d4: :2s4:
The BB leads out for $1 and the pf raiser calls. Pot is $9.50
The turn is :5s4: The BB again bets $1 and again, the OR just calls.
{$11.50}
The river is :5d4: and the BB bets $1 for a third time.

What does he have?
A) :kc4: :js4:
B) :ac4: :2c4:
C) :3h4: :3d4:
D) :6d4: :4d4:

It’s a $.10/.$25 rush Table at Full Tilt
Even though it’s a Rush table your HUD is working and a very tight 11/4/2 player with a full stack limps in UTG+2. You’ve got $20. You look down at :qd4: :ad4: on the CO and raise to $1. The limper calls. The pot is $2.35
The Flop comes :7s4: :6d4: :2d4: and he donks it for $1.50
This flop nails his limping range but you have 2 overs and the nut flush draw. You might get him off a pair and this is a nice spot to semi-bluff so you re-pop it to $4.25. He calls and the pot is now $10.85.
The turn is the :8c4: and he checks. You really should follow up with a half size bet but you take the free card and check behind.
The river is the :3c4: which changes nothing but he bets $6.50. Could this be a busted flush draw? If he had a straight wouldn’t you have heard from him on the turn? You may have slowed down a top pair hand with the re-raise and then given it away by checking back the turn.

What the **** does he have?
A) :ah4: :as4:
B) :7c4: :6c4:
C) :jd4: :10d4:
D) :4h4: :5h4:
 
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Donk Bet Hand #4

Full Tilt - $4 NL - Holdem - 9 players
You have a $279 stack and open to $12 UTG with :Jd: :Js: (I'm guessing here. The player actually mucks without showing but it seems to work and what the hell, it's my quiz. I can do what I want.)

It folds around to the SB who just bought back in after you doubled through him 2 hands ago when he check raise bluffed his stack off with :ad4: :kh4: vs your :10h4: :10s4: on a :9d4: :4h4: :3d4: flop. In that hand he had limped in UTG and then just called your $16 raise. In this hand the SB calls as does the BB and you see the flop 3 way.

Flop: ($36.00, 3 players) The Flop is :8d4: :3d4: :9s4: and SB bets $24.00. You put him on a flush draw, any pair or a stone cold bluff.
The BB folds and you min raise to $48.00

SB calls $24.00
Turn: ($132.00, 2 players) :4h4: SB bets $40.00 and once again you min raise to$80.00. (THIS IS NOT ME!)
SB calls $40.00
River: ($292.00, 2 players) :6d4: bringing in the flush draw and some weird straight draws.
SB bets $260.00 and is all-in.
Really? WTF! You have zero respect for this chump but he must know that, right? Would he dare pull this stunt again so soon?

What does he have???

A) :7c4: :10s4:
B) :ad4: :8s4:
C) :kc4: :9h4:
D) :ad4: :10d4:

I'm gonna call it quits for the night. Each one of these hands is taking quite a bit longer than I had anticipated. I'm trying to find some real interesting situations and since 3 of the 4 answers are made-up I want them to at least make sense in the context of the hand. Also, I've decided not to post results in the thread, at least not right away. I'll still PM the results to the test takers but I'm afraid that posting them might influence newer participants. I'll try to get all 10 hands in by tomorrow night but I can't make any promises. And oh yeah, each correct answer is worth 10 points.
 
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Donk Bet Question #5

I apologize for the last question above. I was in a rush to get it out and I didn't edit it properly. I also made a mistake in the answers. Answer d should be :5d4: :5h4: not :5d4: :5d4:. Yuck! So sorry. Here it is again. Maybe I can get a mod to delete the mutated version above.

Also, to do this right, 10 questions will take more time than I have today so I hope you all don't mind if I leave it at 5 questions worth 20 pts each.

Here's the scenario. GL

It's a $0.05/$0.10 game at Full Tilt back in the day. The donk bettor or Villain is in the HJ with $9.50 to start and the PF aggressor is in the CO with $9.30, we'll call him the Hero. They are both pretty loose and both like to play alot of hands but neither one has really gotten too out of line. They've been swapping punches for about 46 hands.

The action folds around to the Villain who limps in for $0.10. The Hero on the CO min raises to $0.20 with :qh4: :qd4: (ugh)
The BB calls, the SB (me!) folds and the pf limper calls for another $0.10.


Flop: ($0.70, 3 players) :4c4: :5c4: :kc4:
SB checks, Villain bets $0.70
This is a pretty wet flop and narrowing down his range at this point is hopeless. Maybe you're ahead, maybe you're behind, you just don't know so you just call, relinquishing control of the hand.
The BB folds.

Turn: ($2.10, 2 players) :ah4:
Villain checks.

Interesting, now we may have some info. The Ace seems to have slowed him down. A made flush would have little to fear from this turn, but he could be baiting us hoping to induce a bluff or get action from an ace.
This might actually be a good spot to fire a bet. If he's on a draw he's calling, but he might let go of a a bare King.
But you chicken out and check behind.

River: ($2.10, 2 players) :9d4:
The Villain bets $0.85. Of course you call, but

What does he have?

A) :kd4: :10d4:
B) :ac4: :7h4:
C) :4s4: :5s4:
D) :5d4: :5h4:
 
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thats way too much work!! LOL but im guessing A, C, then B
 
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Ok I just looked over the 1st set of hands, and my guess has to be

A) A3 suited vs your KK hand
A) on the 2nd one as it doesn't make sense for anything else to bet (Maybe the 33 hand but still odd)
C) on the last one on the last one (yet honestly it still doesn't make sense), but that's my guess with it
 
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Ok I just looked over the 1st set of hands, and my guess has to be

A) A3 suited vs your KK hand
A) on the 2nd one as it doesn't make sense for anything else to bet (Maybe the 33 hand but still odd)
C) on the last one on the last one (yet honestly it still doesn't make sense), but that's my guess with it

I PM'd you. Try the last 2.
 
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ok for the last 2 I'm gonna have to guess..

7/10 for the 1st one

and A7o on the 2nd one
 
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Several people have PM'd me their answers and that's fine. I just had another 0 fer. These are tough spots and I'm really not trying to trick anyone. I actually did try to pick hands that were representative of the situation. I've played a lot of hands online and live and I still have no clue how to read a donkbet.

So far the best score is 20%.
 
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And fletchdad takes the lead with 3 correct answers. That will br hard to beat. Nice work.
 
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well, it takes one to know one.....

after all, it IS a donk test............
 
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:argh: First of all KK is hard to lay down and you probably would not with the flop. So, if you got raised there must be a pair involved. AA is the only one to beat you pre-flop.

A DONK bet, maybe not.

You must assume the board hit the DONK or AA.

IMHO, bet the KK and take the medicine.

Sippy :argh:

yes the post is old, but i'm new and need to figure the site out, pls forgive
 
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