Cafeman
Legend
Silver Level
Righto sexy
0:00 Table #1 J8s, I lead this flop, I feel as though c/c is usually horrible - although I do it way too much too
1:10 Table #1 KJs BvB, flop 4h2dKh. Calling that 3bet OOP is sooooooooper thin unless you are making moves post a lot. You flop amazingly well obv. If you think he's bluffing, why raise him off it? If your read is that he's likely to see your c/c as weak and will barrel, let him. You say, "I seriously doubt he's got anything here, so I can overbet this and he's gonna fold. He's really not got a lot there, and he's outta position." You don't want him to fold! You've got TP in a 3bet pot, you want him to call!!! Admittedly he cbets very small, so raising is obv a decent option, but raising to get him off his bluff when you have such a strong hand goes against everything I understand about betting in poker. Oh, and he's not OOP, you are.
So, normally, do not call 3bets OOP (does he fold to 4bets?). If you're familiar with him as you say, then do not be on his right if he 3bets light a lot. Also you refer to this hand as a steal spot. I would be raising that hand for value, it's got pretty high cards in it.
3:20 Table #4 A7o, tight fold in the CO. I would prob open that up.
5:40 Table #4 A4s BvB. You called a 3bet OOP again, this is really bad. Talk to coachy about this.
9:00 Table #2 77. I think you had a brain fart here. You stabbed at the QQJJ (cool), and he raised you and you called (not cool). That's a fold. On top of which, your 7s are counterfeited here. As I say, perhaps you just didn't notice it owing to the bright lights of CC stardom.
10:30 Table #2 98s BvB you limp (I don't like this) and then you check an AQ5r flop (I don't like this either). Villain checks it back and the turn is a 3 or something. You should bet here 100% (you should have bet flop but now you must bet this turn). Anyways, you check it down and he wins with xx. It should have gone: you open raise, he folds or calls, flop you bet and he folds. I even prefer open folding here over limping.
14:45 Table #3 87o, I like your turn stab.
16:00 Table #1 AA, you first talk about /maybe/ 3betting here. Yes, 3bet by default unless he folds to 3bets a LOT* or you have a mad squeezer in the SB or someone so bad that you want them in the pot too (as in, 'it depends' but normally default to 3betting). After you 3bet you notice that villain is a little bit short and that you might have wanted the BB in the hand. I like that thinking, but I still like 3betting more. As for the flop call, wp.
*Personally I prefer widening my 3bet range if they are likely to fold rather than taking out the premiums. For example, in a hand earlier (table #4) you flatted A3s OTB instead of squeezing. You could have considered squeezing there, but I would have to be more au fait with your HUD to know for sure.
28:00 Table 3 AJo ("Donklets" lol) make your bet bigger, maybe 5bb. I like your cbet, but you state that the BB is OOP (you are in the SB). This is the second time you've said someone is OOP when they are not. I don't know if it's just because you're making the video or whether you are really making that mistake? Anyway, fold to his flop raise.
We've chatted a bit in the Skype group, so I won't put anything else up. I will be interested to see what other people say though.
0:00 Table #1 J8s, I lead this flop, I feel as though c/c is usually horrible - although I do it way too much too
1:10 Table #1 KJs BvB, flop 4h2dKh. Calling that 3bet OOP is sooooooooper thin unless you are making moves post a lot. You flop amazingly well obv. If you think he's bluffing, why raise him off it? If your read is that he's likely to see your c/c as weak and will barrel, let him. You say, "I seriously doubt he's got anything here, so I can overbet this and he's gonna fold. He's really not got a lot there, and he's outta position." You don't want him to fold! You've got TP in a 3bet pot, you want him to call!!! Admittedly he cbets very small, so raising is obv a decent option, but raising to get him off his bluff when you have such a strong hand goes against everything I understand about betting in poker. Oh, and he's not OOP, you are.
So, normally, do not call 3bets OOP (does he fold to 4bets?). If you're familiar with him as you say, then do not be on his right if he 3bets light a lot. Also you refer to this hand as a steal spot. I would be raising that hand for value, it's got pretty high cards in it.
3:20 Table #4 A7o, tight fold in the CO. I would prob open that up.
5:40 Table #4 A4s BvB. You called a 3bet OOP again, this is really bad. Talk to coachy about this.
9:00 Table #2 77. I think you had a brain fart here. You stabbed at the QQJJ (cool), and he raised you and you called (not cool). That's a fold. On top of which, your 7s are counterfeited here. As I say, perhaps you just didn't notice it owing to the bright lights of CC stardom.
10:30 Table #2 98s BvB you limp (I don't like this) and then you check an AQ5r flop (I don't like this either). Villain checks it back and the turn is a 3 or something. You should bet here 100% (you should have bet flop but now you must bet this turn). Anyways, you check it down and he wins with xx. It should have gone: you open raise, he folds or calls, flop you bet and he folds. I even prefer open folding here over limping.
14:45 Table #3 87o, I like your turn stab.
16:00 Table #1 AA, you first talk about /maybe/ 3betting here. Yes, 3bet by default unless he folds to 3bets a LOT* or you have a mad squeezer in the SB or someone so bad that you want them in the pot too (as in, 'it depends' but normally default to 3betting). After you 3bet you notice that villain is a little bit short and that you might have wanted the BB in the hand. I like that thinking, but I still like 3betting more. As for the flop call, wp.
*Personally I prefer widening my 3bet range if they are likely to fold rather than taking out the premiums. For example, in a hand earlier (table #4) you flatted A3s OTB instead of squeezing. You could have considered squeezing there, but I would have to be more au fait with your HUD to know for sure.
28:00 Table 3 AJo ("Donklets" lol) make your bet bigger, maybe 5bb. I like your cbet, but you state that the BB is OOP (you are in the SB). This is the second time you've said someone is OOP when they are not. I don't know if it's just because you're making the video or whether you are really making that mistake? Anyway, fold to his flop raise.
We've chatted a bit in the Skype group, so I won't put anything else up. I will be interested to see what other people say though.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
~2:00 KJs -you say he 3bets wide,so you check raise flop to ???fold out all of his air hands?(also he's IP)
~3:00 35o -on the button in unopended pot you fold, i raise,A7o in the CO you fold in a unopended pot,i raise.
~5:40- calling a 3bet vs a unknown with A4 oop is a spew.
~9:50 77-wtf was the turn call about
~12:05 A10- K84 i deff cbet that board
~13:50 JJ-you 4x UTG because your oop??I 3x by default unless i have notes on certain fish that will call more,or there is limpers in the pot etc.
~15:00 22- in the SB vs a UTG raise and UTG over call with over 100bb effective stacks you must set mind here imo.I know your oop but implied odds are to great.
~15:40 A3s-On the button if i play this hand i squeeze here 100% of the time.
~24:05 KQs-I like the call pre.Not raising that flop is almost criminal,make it ~.55
~28:00 AJo-in the SB i make it .20 here with the limper on the button.When the flop comes 853 that is terribad flop to cbet small to middle pairs are most of his range.An your range is made up of mostly over cards.
~28:50 44- You said you meant to fold pre flop vs a 15/15 don't do that.Once again i know your oop but the stronger villains range the better chances we get paid off if we it our set.I don't get the bet on the turn either.It changes nothing i check down for some value or call one street for a bluff catcher.
~31:00 K8o-On the button with a nit in the small blind and a retard in the bb this is 100% steal with prop the best hand and the best position.
Over all i would just be more agg.Iso fish more,3bet ip and oop more than you did,and look for squeeze plays.
~3:00 35o -on the button in unopended pot you fold, i raise,A7o in the CO you fold in a unopended pot,i raise.
~5:40- calling a 3bet vs a unknown with A4 oop is a spew.
~9:50 77-wtf was the turn call about
~12:05 A10- K84 i deff cbet that board
~13:50 JJ-you 4x UTG because your oop??I 3x by default unless i have notes on certain fish that will call more,or there is limpers in the pot etc.
~15:00 22- in the SB vs a UTG raise and UTG over call with over 100bb effective stacks you must set mind here imo.I know your oop but implied odds are to great.
~15:40 A3s-On the button if i play this hand i squeeze here 100% of the time.
~24:05 KQs-I like the call pre.Not raising that flop is almost criminal,make it ~.55
~28:00 AJo-in the SB i make it .20 here with the limper on the button.When the flop comes 853 that is terribad flop to cbet small to middle pairs are most of his range.An your range is made up of mostly over cards.
~28:50 44- You said you meant to fold pre flop vs a 15/15 don't do that.Once again i know your oop but the stronger villains range the better chances we get paid off if we it our set.I don't get the bet on the turn either.It changes nothing i check down for some value or call one street for a bluff catcher.
~31:00 K8o-On the button with a nit in the small blind and a retard in the bb this is 100% steal with prop the best hand and the best position.
Over all i would just be more agg.Iso fish more,3bet ip and oop more than you did,and look for squeeze plays.
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PC69
Legend
Silver Level
Watched first five minutes I wanna kill myself every time u say spew and pissy. Just saying. FF's. Who listens to a a dipshit with a beard??? Jajaja. U Know I kid. Digging it homie.. Following right along with the video and its def not terribad.
Cafeman
Legend
Silver Level
I know what you mean, but I felt as though villain could almost have ATC there and that cbet/f was slightly better than giving up. We had 2 overs.
TylerN
Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza
Silver Level
The guy is like 48/14. That cbet is for value imo
TylerN
Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza
Silver Level
Grunch
-2:02: KJs.Why are we trying to get him to fold? I’m pretty sure pre is a fold as well
-5:45: A4s. You’re getting 3bet and you call oop with A4s? Why? I would rather 4b than call
-9:30: 77. Calling with 7 high
-11:15: 98s. Don’t really like pre but AP I bet the turn. Its very unlikely he ever has a good hand here and we can get a fold a good amount of the time
-14:15: Did you really look at how much he won in 200 hands to judge if he was a decent player? Lol
-14:30 87o. I like raising pre there. We can get so many folds when people limp in the sb in an unopened pot.
-21:10 K7o. Bet river more like 35c. Whatever he’s calling 25c with he will likely call 35c with
-24:40 KQs. Again raise more on the turn. You almost min raised
-28:07 AJo. Raise pre more. 3-4x+1bb for every limper. 48/14 (loose passive) doesn’t have ATC there
General comments:
-You should use the “fold to any bet” button. For example, you have 64o in the cutoff, just press the button and you can focus on other tables rather than timing out
-Stop focusing on one table. If you want to be able to multi table your going to have to make decisions on another table while thinking about another (lol)
-I bet you get bantered all the time for taking the whole time bank to fold 64o utg lol
good vid!
-2:02: KJs.Why are we trying to get him to fold? I’m pretty sure pre is a fold as well
-5:45: A4s. You’re getting 3bet and you call oop with A4s? Why? I would rather 4b than call
-9:30: 77. Calling with 7 high
-11:15: 98s. Don’t really like pre but AP I bet the turn. Its very unlikely he ever has a good hand here and we can get a fold a good amount of the time
-14:15: Did you really look at how much he won in 200 hands to judge if he was a decent player? Lol
-14:30 87o. I like raising pre there. We can get so many folds when people limp in the sb in an unopened pot.
-21:10 K7o. Bet river more like 35c. Whatever he’s calling 25c with he will likely call 35c with
-24:40 KQs. Again raise more on the turn. You almost min raised
-28:07 AJo. Raise pre more. 3-4x+1bb for every limper. 48/14 (loose passive) doesn’t have ATC there
General comments:
-You should use the “fold to any bet” button. For example, you have 64o in the cutoff, just press the button and you can focus on other tables rather than timing out
-Stop focusing on one table. If you want to be able to multi table your going to have to make decisions on another table while thinking about another (lol)
-I bet you get bantered all the time for taking the whole time bank to fold 64o utg lol
good vid!
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Agree to disagree
Disagree with this also.I think it's a real bad habit to start auto folding when your in late position depending on your cards there self.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
You watched my vid right?
BTN and blinds depended.Lets say BTN is 18/16 3bet ~4%,small blinds is a 20/15 3bet ~4% fold bb to steal(this will also reflect how he plays SB) 83%,BB 18/15 3bet~4-5% fold BB to steal 80-100%.
Yes i would steal all day long.There are many more spots buts this is just one example.I play a little more laggy than mosti guess, but auto muck in late position is a big leak imo.
TylerN
Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza
Silver Level
I dont understand how its a big leak. Tom timed out at least 5x's in a 30min video. If IM not going to open a certain hand no matter what the action, then I see nothing wrong with pressing the button. It will save time and help focus on other decisions
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NoOneYouKnow
Rock Star
Silver Level
I enjoyed the vid and made a few comments. For any of the guys still in this group, is there room for anyone else to upload vids?
00:45 Table 1 J8s: I don't mind calling pot sized flop bet because we have some backdoor equity, but I don't like calling the turn pot bet. At these stakes the bet sizing indicates a made hand and the paired board counterfeits your 2 pair outs.
02:00 Table 3 KJs: I think this has been commented to death. Either 4b or fold pre, calling OOP against an aggro reg is spewing money. Once you do flop good - let him hang himself. c/c flop c/r turn would be my preferred line here.
03:15 Table 3 89o: Should be opening this from the CO 5 handed.
03:25 Table 4 A7o: Should be opening this from the CO.
05:45 Table 4 A4s: Easy fold to 3b OOP. Hard to draw OOP and easily dominated if the A flops.
07:20 Table 1 56o: Should be opening this from the button. The 'scary' villain 3bets 11% (if I read your HUD right) so you are still going to pick up the blinds a huge amount of the time.
08:00 Table 1 QQ: I think calling the 3b is fine and committing all in on most flops is fine. I think it is a good chance to pick up the inevitable cbet and still stack underpairs.
09:00 Table 2 77: I prefer to use thought process is that against players who commit a lot of money postflop (high cbet %'s / AF), I will flat for impled odds on my sets. Against unknowns, and passive players I will default to cbet because 77 plays horribly postflop OOP. Th turn call is awful because you are playing the board...
10:40 Table 2 89s: I think it is better to raise from the SB and take the lead than to limp. Your draws are going to be very tough to play multiway OOP. Raising also gives you the lead and other ways to win the pot.
12:10 Table 1 T8o: This should be a raise in the CO, as the BTN is a nit and is going to let you steal position often.
14:30 Table 3 78o: Good spot to raise the SB who is limping an extremely weak range. You will print money by raising pre and cb'ing most flops.
15:00 Table 1 22: Easy flat here, and potential squeeze spot. UTG raise and MP call means you have great odds to draw to your set and maximise value being IP.
15:45 Table 4 A3s: I would squeeze here, but have no huge issue with flatting pre.
17:15 Table 4 QTs: You were so concerned with watching the AA hand unfold you missed a routine steal spot.
18:00 Table 4 QJo: Snapfold. Snapfold. Snapfold.
22:00 Table 2 Kxo: Shove your nut flush when raised. With the action on the flop and turn, he never ever shows up with a boat. Also, I prefer to raise those minbets small and pick up the dead money.
22:45 Table 2 A9o: I would suggest if you are confused, either raise or fold. Calling and playing fit and fold with a weak dominated hand is the greater of 3 evils. Calling off a pot sized river bet with a 9h 4card flush is pretty bad too.
24:30 Table 1 KQs: Either raise the flop or call the turn. He is never ever calling the turn raise with worse.
24:50 Table 2 J4s: I would open this to fold out the nit BTN and play a pot with the 'weird' villain IP. Even though your hand is weak, you will still probably make money by cbetting 100% against a weak passive player.
27:20 Table 3 Q5o: Again, I would raise a limped SB 100% of the time and cbet often.
29:00 Table 3 AJo: I think you are 'attached' to your nice cards. You have Ahigh facing agression, it is an easy fold.
31:00 Table 2 K8o: I think you are distracted trying to close down tables but this should always be a BTN open.
32:00 Table 3 J9o: This plays well enough to iso raise IP.
00:45 Table 1 J8s: I don't mind calling pot sized flop bet because we have some backdoor equity, but I don't like calling the turn pot bet. At these stakes the bet sizing indicates a made hand and the paired board counterfeits your 2 pair outs.
02:00 Table 3 KJs: I think this has been commented to death. Either 4b or fold pre, calling OOP against an aggro reg is spewing money. Once you do flop good - let him hang himself. c/c flop c/r turn would be my preferred line here.
03:15 Table 3 89o: Should be opening this from the CO 5 handed.
03:25 Table 4 A7o: Should be opening this from the CO.
05:45 Table 4 A4s: Easy fold to 3b OOP. Hard to draw OOP and easily dominated if the A flops.
07:20 Table 1 56o: Should be opening this from the button. The 'scary' villain 3bets 11% (if I read your HUD right) so you are still going to pick up the blinds a huge amount of the time.
08:00 Table 1 QQ: I think calling the 3b is fine and committing all in on most flops is fine. I think it is a good chance to pick up the inevitable cbet and still stack underpairs.
09:00 Table 2 77: I prefer to use thought process is that against players who commit a lot of money postflop (high cbet %'s / AF), I will flat for impled odds on my sets. Against unknowns, and passive players I will default to cbet because 77 plays horribly postflop OOP. Th turn call is awful because you are playing the board...
10:40 Table 2 89s: I think it is better to raise from the SB and take the lead than to limp. Your draws are going to be very tough to play multiway OOP. Raising also gives you the lead and other ways to win the pot.
12:10 Table 1 T8o: This should be a raise in the CO, as the BTN is a nit and is going to let you steal position often.
14:30 Table 3 78o: Good spot to raise the SB who is limping an extremely weak range. You will print money by raising pre and cb'ing most flops.
15:00 Table 1 22: Easy flat here, and potential squeeze spot. UTG raise and MP call means you have great odds to draw to your set and maximise value being IP.
15:45 Table 4 A3s: I would squeeze here, but have no huge issue with flatting pre.
17:15 Table 4 QTs: You were so concerned with watching the AA hand unfold you missed a routine steal spot.
18:00 Table 4 QJo: Snapfold. Snapfold. Snapfold.
22:00 Table 2 Kxo: Shove your nut flush when raised. With the action on the flop and turn, he never ever shows up with a boat. Also, I prefer to raise those minbets small and pick up the dead money.
22:45 Table 2 A9o: I would suggest if you are confused, either raise or fold. Calling and playing fit and fold with a weak dominated hand is the greater of 3 evils. Calling off a pot sized river bet with a 9h 4card flush is pretty bad too.
24:30 Table 1 KQs: Either raise the flop or call the turn. He is never ever calling the turn raise with worse.
24:50 Table 2 J4s: I would open this to fold out the nit BTN and play a pot with the 'weird' villain IP. Even though your hand is weak, you will still probably make money by cbetting 100% against a weak passive player.
27:20 Table 3 Q5o: Again, I would raise a limped SB 100% of the time and cbet often.
29:00 Table 3 AJo: I think you are 'attached' to your nice cards. You have Ahigh facing agression, it is an easy fold.
31:00 Table 2 K8o: I think you are distracted trying to close down tables but this should always be a BTN open.
32:00 Table 3 J9o: This plays well enough to iso raise IP.
Cafeman
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Yes, post a link to your thread when you create one here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/group-study-video-review-203602/
Welcome aboard
taaron
Visionary
Silver Level
Hey welcome bud; and really appreciate the feedback! Ya also what stakes do you play? FR? or 6max?
Really appreciate everyones feedback; except joebobs, who is just a complete a-hole redneck
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