Super Tilted Cash Game

So last night was a night to drive me absolutely bonkers.

3 Super Aggressive players at the table and betting with absolute shit, example $100 bet on the river with $40 in the pot with King high and the other one calling with King high slightly better next card. Keep in mind this is a 0.50/1 game.

1 hand to set me off and another to make me just get up and leave all within 5 minutes.

I had $200 in my stack about 2 hours into the game which is what I started with as lost a few and won a couple. The money bags at the table (guy will buy in for $2000 on a small table if there is time to buy pots back to recover and he already is in for $1200 with 800 down) leads out preflop as UTG with $12 and I have AJ and call. Flop comes KQJ. He leads out with $40 as it is heads up and he is trying to buy the pot so I call knowing he has shit cards as he has been bluffing 90% of the time for this game and usually is about 70%. Turn is 7. He leads out for $100 and I shove to which he calls. He has 72 and river is a 7.

I buy back for $500 and now money bags is HJ position and I am BB. Small action before him and he pops it to $50 and I see 33 and knowing his play I just call. Flop comes 783. I check to MB and he bets $100, I shove and he calls. Turn is a 5 and river is a 9 giving him a straight as he had K6.

I know I want him at my table and I want him on my hands with his bad plays which are any two cards. But hell, in a span of 10 minutes I lost $700 on a 0.50/1 game so I couldn't sit there anymore and left. I am still reeling on this and cannot even think to play online for the moment.

Just needed to vent.

I got word that he ended down a total of $1600 and my $700 plus his was pretty spread even among 3 other players who were able to catch him and hold him. So I do feel better about that. The rest of the group was fairly flat in terms of cash for the night.

Its somewhat unconventional, that people are allowed to buy in this deep in cash games. Maybe you can find another game to play in, if you are not rolled for this kind of wild gambling?

fundiver199 said:

Its somewhat unconventional, that people are allowed to buy in this deep in cash games. Maybe you can find another game to play in, if you are not rolled for this kind of wild gambling?

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Yeah. Wondering what site this was on. Max buy in for a .50/1 game is usually $100. But as far as the action goes, you usually think that they higher the stakes the less donkery you'll see. But every once in while I'll see outrageous play in $50NL and even $100NL and $200NL games.

fundiver199 said:

Its somewhat unconventional, that people are allowed to buy in this deep in cash games. Maybe you can find another game to play in, if you are not rolled for this kind of wild gambling?

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IntenseHeat said:

Yeah. Wondering what site this was on. Max buy in for a .50/1 game is usually $100. But as far as the action goes, you usually think that they higher the stakes the less donkery you'll see. But every once in while I'll see outrageous play in $50NL and even $100NL and $200NL games.

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Sorry I guess I didn't say it was a live game, we cap the first 1 hour at $200 but afterwards we let it slide to be whatever the largest chip stack is roughly at because a number of people seem to complain a lot of oh I want to buy back in but I don't want to be significantly short to the table.

As for the wild ride, it took a chuck of my poker money but not a swing I cannot handle in the long run just need to keep myself to about half that for the next 1-2 months so my bankroll doesn't get screwed. Normally I would just rebuy my initial stack but since MB was there I went above as I have had more positive swings with as much as $1k up but the average is fairly small in comparison.

Trying to find another cash game where I am is like finding a needle in a haystack. I was able to find it only after 2 years of living here and even then I was surprised I didn't know about it considering I knew several people in the group already.

You were angry and that is dangerous when real money is at stake. You shouldn't have pushed on the turn QKJ7 unless you have a flush made with the ace, however even though you were right in that case, many times villain will still be here with better hands than yours. You should fold in this case without a flush draw.
Similarly, you should not push a 783 flop as you will never deny a maniac equity to all his draws. Protect your range, do not make decisions without first evaluating all the previous action. If you decide to play a very aggressive game, prepare to face big changes like the one you experienced in this session.
Greetings.

gustav197poker said:

You were angry and that is dangerous when real money is at stake. You shouldn't have pushed on the turn QKJ7 unless you have a flush made with the ace, however even though you were right in that case, many times villain will still be here with better hands than yours. You should fold in this case without a flush draw.
Similarly, you should not push a 783 flop as you will never deny a maniac equity to all his draws. Protect your range, do not make decisions without first evaluating all the previous action. If you decide to play a very aggressive game, prepare to face big changes like the one you experienced in this session.
Greetings.

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For the first one, any other player on the table I would have folded which is the only reason I made the call. I have played with him enough and know his range overall even if he tries to hide it with his bet size. The second time is where I got hotheaded and knew I should have folded and kicked myself in the few times for about a day for still playing it so I can remember not to do it next time.

I would have split that second buy in into two (or three) and given my self more bullets against the whale. If you know you have a great chance of getting it in good but can't handle the wild swings this is a great way to decrease the risk of ruin. You only need one hand to hold before you double up and have more flexibility in higher SPR pots (and this guy is likely going to give you action). Loading up on one large second buy in is accepting the fact that maniac could hit is draw and stack us again. It's gross that this one was runner runner but it could have just as easily been a flush draw. I suspect we have all been there though, very frustrating to get crushed by clueless players. If $700 is your number I'd try to split that into 4 for future visits. Perhaps the first two buy ins at 150 BB and the last two at 200 BB when the game is deeper.

This is why I miss live poker.

theheeb1984 said:

Sorry I guess I didn't say it was a live game, we cap the first 1 hour at $200 but afterwards we let it slide to be whatever the largest chip stack is roughly at because a number of people seem to complain a lot of oh I want to buy back in but I don't want to be significantly short to the table.

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Okay, that explains it. Still, I tend to agree with c0rnBr34d. I would have only bought back in for $200. I understand the reasoning for allowing the option to buy in for more. I just don't think that I would do it. I tend to try to only concern myself with the size of my own stack and how much I am up or down. I don't care how much anyone else is up or down. Do you regularly concern yourself with how much money the people around you have in their pockets or how much you have in your own? If the size of their stacks causes them to feel more confident and play more aggressively, that's fine with me, since I love to set traps for aggressive players.

never play cash games, this game is too dangerous to lose your bankroll for many reasons! Play MTT or SnG only and distribute your bankroll evenly into many parts

500NL? I thought that was 2/5? Or is this live where you can buy in with deeper stacks. Personally, I wouldn't play a cash game like that. And all the 2/5 & 5/10 tables I've played never had shenanigans like that. People still get stacked a lot, but I don't run into many players like the ones you describe at those limits. My condolences to your buy-ins.

Cash games is just like that, difficult but exciting. To manage it we MUST be very calm, patient and very aggressive at the right moments (it's an advice to myself). In big stakes, when some opponents has lots of money (mean, they're rich gamblers) it's somehow just like you are playing at a micro stakes table, i.e. they pay only to see your cards at the showdow. They don't care much about strategies and all that kind of stuff. They love gambling, lose and win big, and when match their hands, you're crushed, down to the ground. This is not unfair, it's poker still. A stolen pot, beautiful or ugly poker are justified by any win.
To play big cash games or you have to be a very high level player or a rich gambling player (or both). So be aware for there are many rich gamblers around the poker rooms (bad and good players; losers and winners).
Not many are able to built a steady and big bankroll playing cash games.
To be a player like this is my main goal. But my situation still is just like says Mark Knopler from Dire Straits: "So far away from me, so far a just can see" lalala

I would not like to explain the actions of the villain. Maybe he just escaped from a psychiatric hospital and ended up at your poker table. You wanted to beat him because he was a money bag. But such people don't worry about money or cards. They see the game differently. Don't think about it.
Fortune favors fools. But it is not infinite.

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theheeb1984 said:

So last night was a night to drive me absolutely bonkers.
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I know I want him at my table and I want him on my hands with his bad plays which are any two cards. But hell, in a span of 10 minutes I lost $700 on a 0.50/1 game so I couldn't sit there anymore and left. I am still reeling on this and cannot even think to play online for the moment.

Just needed to vent.

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I hear you. We all experience this from time to time, and occassionally when we are on a good run, we might be the one's *appearing* to be that guy.

You need to decide whether you are interested in playing that kind of game. You can take the option of also playing fast and loose, tight and passive, aggressive, whatever. I've been playing a lot of Spin-and-go, to help practice my heads up/end game. I often encounter folks who raise big and put all my chips at stake fairly often.

The key here is to play hands that you are comfortable going all0in with. This means that he steals your blinds a fair amount, but if you're only in pots you are capable of shoving with, you will bust him.

A couple good pre-flop shoves against a big bet is often enough to get these players to settle down. When someone is getting out of line, I will also slow the game down wasting their time...to demonstrate that they are also wasting mine. Maybe rile them up to tilt them a bit, and then shove.

I wouldn't instigate, but I would retaliate.

Otherwise...I say, **** this, and leave the game for other fish to fry.

Good luck!

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