Struggling with 10NL

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I recently moved up from 5NL to 10NL and after 12,000 hands am considerably down.

Here are my winrates at all the levels I played,

2NL - 24,300 hands, 17.3 bb/100
5NL - 8,800 hands, 7.125 bb/100
10NL - 12,175 hands, -9.83 bb/100

I am currently rolled comfortably for 10NL after I cashed in a tournament. I still have 30 BI but I dont fancy haemorrhaging my bankroll like this. I feel like im running quite badly but I think anybody that is losing does as well. Should I stick with it and see if results turn around? Drop down stakes and rebuild my confidence? I dont feel my playing style has changed much just that im not getting paid for my big hands and running into coolers often but obv me playing bad and not knowing is always an option too..

I know its difficult to judge without seeing my stats, hand history etc

Any suggestions from anyone
 
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You sample sizes are tiny. Move back to nl$5 straight away and play like 50K hands. Some people play 8.8K hands in one day.
 
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yeah sample size, stick with it or move back to 5nl and gain confidence, no problem with either it all depends on you. Dont change your game from 5nl to 10nl though.
 
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Thanks guys much appreciate the advice. I've dropped back down to 5NL, im going to play 60-80k hands next month, see how that affects my winrate and then consider moving back up.
 
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Since you seem not to be in a positive frame of mind about 10NL, IMO it's a no-brainer to drop back down.

Your sample sizes are small, but it's pretty likely that you're +EV at both 2NL and 5NL. So, I think there are reasonable options other than simply playing a bunch of hands at 5NL.

For instance, you can take shots at 10NL. One way would be to play 5 until you win $20 or $30, then use that to take a shot. You can repeat this as often as necessary until you find out what you need to do to win at 10. Once you are winning there, you can move up with a renewed positive mind set.
 
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Hey, I play FR because I find its easy to sit tight and then just value bet to kingdom come. I like the challenge as well, you seem to be doing well!

Im just at a tough spot at the minute because im running bad but its slowly turning round. My target was $2000 by the end of the year but I doubt I'll make that, currently at a little under $600, but I did start at $37 this month so alls looking good.
 
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Damn dude. Two days ago you were at 30 buy ins and now youre at 60. you must be killing it. Keep it up. It seems like a lot of people are have a lot of success on those fr tables. I switched to 6-max because Cake never had more than two fr tables running at a time. Haven't played fr since but maybe I should look into it.
 
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Im playing a lot of zoom on pokerstars. Yeah i jumped up from a tourney cash. Im targeting about 4-5k hands a day to ride the variance better.
 
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Haha I've seen that thread actually.

Tbh I didnt agree with all of it, like this bit, although it is a good guide for new players

((((( 2) ALWAYS attempt to see a cheap flop with all small pairs from all postions, even if it means calling a raise. Try not to get squeezed, and be aware if there is many players to a flop youll need to improve to a set or better to continue post flop. If you flop a set, then lead it, bet out, dont get tricky with it. ))))))))

I think open limping should be the eighth sin...

But im pleased to say after grinding 5NL again im running good and playing well and should be back at 10NL in no time.
 
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stick with 2nl for life imo
 
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Haha I've seen that thread actually.

Tbh I didnt agree with all of it, like this bit, although it is a good guide for new players

((((( 2) ALWAYS attempt to see a cheap flop with all small pairs from all postions, even if it means calling a raise. Try not to get squeezed, and be aware if there is many players to a flop youll need to improve to a set or better to continue post flop. If you flop a set, then lead it, bet out, dont get tricky with it. ))))))))

I think open limping should be the eighth sin...

But im pleased to say after grinding 5NL again im running good and playing well and should be back at 10NL in no time.


Glad to hear it.:)

Good luck in the future.
 
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That thread was written by my good self, over 5 years ago. Poker is a much much different game now, back then limp calling pairs almost guarenteed you a massive pot when you hit. Limp-calling small pairs now almost guarentees that any decent reg will see straight through it. Apart from that bit, a lot of it still applies.
 
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2NL - 24,300 hands, 17.3 bb/100
5NL - 8,800 hands, 7.125 bb/100
10NL - 12,175 hands, -9.83 bb/100

Should I stick with it and see if results turn around? Drop down stakes and rebuild my confidence? I dont feel my playing style has changed much just that im not getting paid for my big hands and running into coolers often but obv me playing bad and not knowing is always an option too..

I know its difficult to judge without seeing my stats, hand history etc

Any suggestions from anyone

Your sample size is small so it will be hard to determine, but you could try getting a database analysis or running Leak Buster to see if there are any obvious leaks. With 40k hands, Leak Buster can probably get you an idea of what you need to look at.
 
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Your sample size is small so it will be hard to determine, but you could try getting a database analysis or running Leak Buster to see if there are any obvious leaks. With 40k hands, Leak Buster can probably get you an idea of what you need to look at.

I have no leaks, I am the perfect player ;)
 
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If you are doing bad in 10NL you are probably gonna do bad in 5NL maybe you should try something else like a different game to get your mind off it or try a tourney since you can win big in those.
 
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Just drop to 5NL and increase your sample size, see if you are still profitable there. Worse comes to worse you're still building your roll. Fix your leaks and analyze your 10NL game
 
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You sample sizes are tiny. Move back to nl$5 straight away and play like 50K hands.

Meh.

While I agree that moving down is useful if you don't feel right at 10nl, I pretty much disagree about moving down for a large number of hands.

The point of the game is to move up until you play for meaningful amounts. The best way to achieve this is by moving back up as soon as you feel your game is fine again at 5nl, provided your BR allows it. You will learn more by losing to slightly better opponents at 10nl than by beating slightly worse opponents at 5nl.
 
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I love reading these posts... lets me know just how much more of my game I need to analyze to be the money.... right now i leak like swiss cheese... why i stick to the cardchat freeroll if i ever get in
 
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