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ok, so I decided to start playing cash game, I have $150 to start a bankroll, and I would like to see the tips that you guys can give me, I always played Sit n go tournaments and had a fair result

what limits I should play?
what can I do to get most profit in this limit?

thank you for your time
 
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reading some bankroll management lessons (that I don't follow :) poor me ), you should enter a game with max 5% of your roll : that means $7.50 !
if you want to start this cash game with 100 BB, you should choose a $0.5 table...
 
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Generally you want at least 20 buy-ins.
If you are a good cash game player the variance at micro stakes is minimal, so going in with less is not a big deal.

If I were you I'd skip $2NL ($.01/$.02) because it's maddening, and start at $5NL. If you lose $40 or $50 then bite the bullet and move down to $2NL.

When you get to $300 move up to $10NL ($.05/$.10).
 
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The biggest difference/adjustment from S&G to cash is the value of starting hands like suited connectors, and small pocket pairs go way up in value in a cash game. You're trying to make straights, sets, two pairs, flushes etc. to win someone's stack when he can't fold a big pair or AA. Hope that helps.
 
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It's standard to be ready to put your entire stack in SNG when you have top pair with top kicker or overpair, but cash games are different...

AK on a A73 flop is vulnerable and you should be happy to pick it up without resistance. Give credit to people for big hands and fold often. Micro cash players make lots of mistakes,so you actually win when you have a better hand and they pay you off... There's no need to outplay them. If you get raised on the flop - it's better to fold your top pair and give them credit for a better hand. You lose extremely small pot and move to the next hand. It's that simple.

You have the Bankroll for 2/5c games and I'd recommend to skip 1/2c and go directly to 2/5c tables. Never ever play a big pot with one or two pair hand if someone has raised you on flop or turn - more than 70% of the time -> they will have something that beats your top pair.

Focus on hitting sets,straights & flushes and put your stack in the pot :)
 
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Bankroll Management, Bankroll Management, Bankroll Management!

If you have the discipline to follow this, the rest will fall into place.
 
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Start at 25NL, there's just no action at 10. You've got 6 buy ins, don't get unlucky.
 
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I'm sort of serious here. This is what I do, but I've had loads of 25NL experience. I seriously tried out 10nl and I just couldn't do it. I'm looking through the average pot sizes on UB here and it looks around $1.50 for 6max. I guess its perspective.
 
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Like a few people have said, follow good BRM. Want to have atleast 20 buyins for your limit you want to play. If you are doing a lot of multi-tableing or if you play a high variance style, you may want more back. With $150 bucks you could easily play the $5.50 SNG's on stars or start at 2 or 5nl. If you are more comfortable with SNG's and have had some success with them thus far, you may want to stick with them. I would really recommend sticking to one type of game and learning as much as you can. Hope that helps
 
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BenLZ,

How can your advice be to just skip up to 25nl?

It may have worked for you, but in a vacuum with some guy that just bought in for his first $100+ this is terrible advice.

Just trying to reinforce good behavior.
 
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Actually, just skip up to any limit I am currently playing. It works for me!
 
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BenLZ,

How can your advice be to just skip up to 25nl?

It may have worked for you, but in a vacuum with some guy that just bought in for his first $100+ this is terrible advice.

Just trying to reinforce good behavior.

It's just an idea, it's really about how much risk he wants to take. I think its asking a lot of a person to spend hours grinding a game where the average pot size is like 87 cents. He wouldn't even be playing 10NL with a $150, he'd be playing .02/.05 if they have it...
 
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If he has more money in his pocket that he would like to put towards poker, enough to cover that limit, I'm sure he would be fine. However, with the BR that he has now he will almost 100% go broke. Following proper bankroll management almost gaurantees that will not happen. Like you said, it is all about the risk they are willing to take. I don't know about you but I'd rather keep my money and make more then take a couple shots at a limit I don't know I'm ready for.
 
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I would highly recommend reading Cash Game Killer... If your serious about playing Cash games... A very good start playing Cash and being seasonable about it! If you can not find a copy let me know... I can point you in the right direction...
 
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I have a pretty good game alredy, but I'm only used to tournament style, so I'm not sure if the value of the hands change, or if there are more donkeys or less donkeys, I want the basic tips for the game itself, not only about bankroll management, and I want to thank you for the good tips that it was alredy provided
My point is exaclty this, how people usually plays with suited conectors or low pockets?
does continue bet works as much as in tournaments?
Are people usuaslly tight or agressive?
 
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Ok, your question makes more sense.

I think you will find people floating and calling c-bets alot more widely than you would in tournaments. Sense you are deeper stacks you can get away with this. Also small PP lose some value - mostly you are using them strictly for setmining value.

One of the biggest differences is that your 'chips don't have equity'. In a tournament there are times when it is OK to fold KK preflop to a shove in order to maintain your tournament life. This is almost never the case in cash games, and in fact pushing small edges thousands of times is quite common for cash games (<-something doesn't sound right here, but you get my point).

Just some stuff off the top of my head, I hope it is clear.
 
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It's standard to be ready to put your entire stack in SNG when you have top pair with top kicker or overpair, but cash games are different...

AK on a A73 flop is vulnerable and you should be happy to pick it up without resistance. Give credit to people for big hands and fold often. Micro cash players make lots of mistakes,so you actually win when you have a better hand and they pay you off... There's no need to outplay them. If you get raised on the flop - it's better to fold your top pair and give them credit for a better hand. You lose extremely small pot and move to the next hand. It's that simple.

You have the Bankroll for 2/5c games and I'd recommend to skip 1/2c and go directly to 2/5c tables. Never ever play a big pot with one or two pair hand if someone has raised you on flop or turn - more than 70% of the time -> they will have something that beats your top pair.

Focus on hitting sets,straights & flushes and put your stack in the pot :)

^ this is way too general, sorry. And if you do this it will be exploited, at least at 20NL.

Stoxpoker has a very good course on ABC poker, start with that and you won't regret it.

Now, you have to look at the types of players at those levels, there are alot of nits, alot of tags, and a large number of maniacs. Not too many lags.

If you start just 1 or 2 tabling, you'll be able to read them quite nicely and adjust accordingly.

Another obvius thing that somehow people left out, is blind stealing and continuation betting are hugely important, much more than in an SNG (disregarding the end-game there.) Also bluffing, but that depends on the type of player you are.

I would start at 10NL and move down to 5NL if I lost 5 buy-ins.
 
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