re: Poker & Spotting 2 Pair (mid-low) on the flop
Spotting bottom two pair on the flop is extremely difficult unless you are playing against a nit who only bets/raises with big hands. Otherwise, especially in $1/$2 NL live games, you'll see a lot of players simply call down to the river. Another reason it is difficult to spot is because a hand like this is played similarly to a set, top pair, over pair, or even straights, flushes, and draws by a lot of players.
Originally Posted by Aces2w1n
If I raised pot size on the flop OOP with aces.. And my opponent shoves turn.
Seeing two pair with 4s and 5s isn't the worst thing ever, actually I'd be somewhat relieved that I didn't see trips and I could most likely catch him by the river and know he is a weak player and this is a major leak in his game.
He'll lose more in his play than win, even tho he may have a few good wins this way but eventually it'll catch up and reality will hurt hard. I've been there done that
Can someone actually give me the odds of if I called this shove... What are my odds to hit 2 pair and stack off on him. 100bb each. blinds 1/2 ... We raised 12... folded to button which called. Blinds folded. making the pot 27.... We raised 27..... Our opponent shoves in a 54 dollar pot. I'm still learning this and really need to learn but say we started with 200 each.. does that mean we need 3:1 or better to call this? And would we have the odds to call if he had 2pair? I'm saying this cause loose players tend to do this, but tags will always have a set.
Yeah flopped two pair against Aces is about a 3:1 favorite to win the hand, assuming the Aces don't also have four to a flush or straight draw.
However, you shouldn't be thinking about the odds you have to draw out, IMO. You should be thinking about the odds that this specific opponent
has you beat based on his possible shoving range. If he is a nit and is shoving the flop or turn, what would you say the odds are that you are beat (pretty good, probably)? If you've seen the player shove with draws, top pair, overpair, overcards, or a medium pocket pair in this situation, you may be more comfortable getting your money in there.