Someone please tell me if I should just quit poker

full tilt poker Game #5005787408: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38001936), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:52:49 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: axdatz11 (1,885)
Seat 2: rbics (1,225)
Seat 3: littlebigfat (2,850)
Seat 4: shaq85 (1,545)
Seat 5: Bentheman87 (1,305)
Seat 7: the_playa7 (1,570)
Seat 8: DaddyDeke (1,720)
Seat 9: Tatahh (1,400)
rbics posts the small blind of 40
littlebigfat posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [Ad Ah]
shaq85 folds
Bentheman87 raises to 240
the_playa7 folds
DaddyDeke calls 240
Tatahh folds
axdatz11 folds
rbics folds
littlebigfat has 15 seconds left to act
littlebigfat folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 4s 7d]
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 bets 400
DaddyDeke raises to 1,120
Bentheman87 calls 665, and is all in
DaddyDeke shows [3d 3s]
Bentheman87 shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of 55 returned to DaddyDeke
*** TURN *** [8s 4s 7d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [8s 4s 7d 5d] [3c]
DaddyDeke shows three of a kind, Threes
Bentheman87 shows a pair of Aces
DaddyDeke wins the pot (2,730) with three of a kind, Threes
Bentheman87 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,730 | Rake 0
Board: [8s 4s 7d 5d 3c]
Seat 1: axdatz11 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: rbics (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: littlebigfat (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: shaq85 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Bentheman87 showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: the_playa7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: DaddyDeke showed [3d 3s] and won (2,730) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 9: Tatahh didn't bet (folded)




Full Tilt poker game #5006040109: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38004890), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:13:52 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: bigka79 (1,485)
Seat 2: malroth (1,400)
Seat 3: HANSONSNUTS13 (1,470)
Seat 4: Bentheman87 (1,390)
Seat 5: grunia (1,150)
Seat 6: I_AM_IRON_MAN (1,470)
Seat 7: ZInvisibleZ (2,165)
Seat 8: menace3 (1,470)
Seat 9: lewylew (1,500)
grunia posts the small blind of 20
I_AM_IRON_MAN posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [Qs Qh]
ZInvisibleZ folds
menace3 folds
lewylew calls 40
bigka79 folds
malroth folds
HANSONSNUTS13 folds
Bentheman87 raises to 160
grunia folds
I_AM_IRON_MAN folds
lewylew calls 120
*** FLOP *** [8h 3c Jd]
lewylew checks
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 bets 240
lewylew calls 240
*** TURN *** [8h 3c Jd] [7h]
lewylew checks
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 bets 520
lewylew calls 520
*** RIVER *** [8h 3c Jd 7h] [Js]
lewylew bets 580, and is all in
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87: nice call pf j10
Bentheman87 calls 470, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 110 returned to lewylew
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lewylew shows [Jh Kd] three of a kind, Jacks
Bentheman87 mucks
lewylew wins the pot (2,840) with three of a kind, Jacks
Bentheman87 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,840 | Rake 0
Board: [8h 3c Jd 7h Js]
Seat 1: bigka79 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: malroth didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: HANSONSNUTS13 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Bentheman87 (button) mucked [Qs Qh] - two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 5: grunia (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: I_AM_IRON_MAN (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ZInvisibleZ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: menace3 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: lewylew showed [Jh Kd] and won (2,840) with three of a kind, Jacks




Full Tilt Poker Game #5004844502: Table Belkin (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:32:45 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: GlueFeet ($25)
Seat 2: Antonius007 ($25)
Seat 3: DrLose ($4.65)
Seat 4: Panicbet ($48.20)
Seat 5: Bentheman87 ($10)
Seat 6: DT OJ ($9.75)
Panicbet posts the small blind of $0.10
Bentheman87 posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [9s 9c]
DT OJ calls $0.25
Antonius007 calls $0.25
DrLose folds
Panicbet calls $0.15
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 raises to $1.25
DT OJ folds
Antonius007 raises to $2.25
Panicbet folds
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [5d 7c 5c]
Bentheman87 bets $5
Antonius007 raises to $10
Bentheman87 calls $2.75, and is all in
Antonius007 shows [5s 7s]
Bentheman87 shows [9s 9c]
Uncalled bet of $2.25 returned to Antonius007
*** TURN *** [5d 7c 5c] [As]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7c 5c As] [8c]
Antonius007 shows a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Bentheman87 shows two pair, Nines and Fives
Antonius007 wins the pot ($19.50) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Bentheman87 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.50 | Rake $1
Board: [5d 7c 5c As 8c]
Seat 1: GlueFeet is sitting out
Seat 2: Antonius007 showed [5s 7s] and won ($19.50) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Seat 3: DrLose (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Panicbet (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Bentheman87 (big blind) showed [9s 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 6: DT OJ folded before the Flop


I've only played 4 Sngs today, got 2nd in one of them and didn't cash in the other 3. Played one cash game and lost my buyin on the first hand. So I'm already down for the day. Now imagine the above happens every day, should I just quit poker?

Bentheman87 said:

Now imagine the above happens every day, should I just quit poker?

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Do you ever win? Is this just total tilt because the day has been a super cooler?

Um it's not tilt. And yes I sometimes win. Not usually though and not today, I'm down like $20 so far today.

i think you need to take a step back and read some books. go to the book store and get a couple of them. don't play, just read. when you've finished reading them, play a bit and try to apply what you have learned. read this forum everyday. start at the bottom and work your way to the top. rome wasn't built in a day. take your time with it.

More questions then:

1. Do you have a working bankroll or do you just deposit to play?
2. Do you use BRM?
3. Do you keep detailed records of all the games you play including buy-ins, tourney fees, cashes, etc?

I go to this forum everday, I've read a ton of poker books and usually apply the things in the Harrington on Hold'em books to my play. I have $40 in my BR right now, I had $3000 a few weeks ago, took out all of it for various reasons. Then a few days ago deposited $350 to start playing again. BRM? No I don't take detailed records, I just focus on playing my best. Ocassionally I check sharkscope or officialpokerrankings for my stats.

well from what i've read of your posts, i think it's time to take a break and go read those books again.

bad runs can run for weeks at times. take a break and as chief said read up on some material and take a break. come back refreshed instead of trying to grind out the tilt from running bad.

i have a question about this hand though
Full Tilt Poker Game #5004844502: Table Belkin (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:32:45 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: GlueFeet ($25)
Seat 2: Antonius007 ($25)
Seat 3: DrLose ($4.65)
Seat 4: Panicbet ($48.20)
Seat 5: Bentheman87 ($10)
Seat 6: DT OJ ($9.75)
Panicbet posts the small blind of $0.10
Bentheman87 posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [9s 9c]
DT OJ calls $0.25
Antonius007 calls $0.25
DrLose folds
Panicbet calls $0.15
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 raises to $1.25
DT OJ folds
Antonius007 raises to $2.25
Panicbet folds
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 calls $1.....did you have some reads on this guy or something, i dont really see making the call
*** FLOP *** [5d 7c 5c]
Bentheman87 bets $5.....i dont see betting out here he done reraised you preflop so he's more than likely just going to reraise and your stuck with a decision
Antonius007 raises to $10
Bentheman87 calls $2.75, and is all in
Antonius007 shows [5s 7s]
Bentheman87 shows [9s 9c]
Uncalled bet of $2.25 returned to Antonius007
*** TURN *** [5d 7c 5c] A♠
*** RIVER *** [5d 7c 5c As] 8♣
Antonius007 shows a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Bentheman87 shows two pair, Nines and Fives
Antonius007 wins the pot ($19.50) with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Bentheman87 is sitting out

I was running bad, took a long break, started playing again and running the exact same as before. Btw, here's what happened in the last sng I played, got 9th place.



Full Tilt Poker Game #5006442672: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38006424), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:46:48 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: oli5001 (2,133)
Seat 2: madandy0107 (1,185)
Seat 3: echele85 (1,385)
Seat 4: razios (1,640)
Seat 5: deeznutz101 (1,055)
Seat 6: Bentheman87 (1,140)
Seat 7: RoccoGe (1,430)
Seat 8: t26 (1,474)
Seat 9: H8WURKN (2,058)
deeznutz101 posts the small blind of 60
Bentheman87 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [3c 3d]
RoccoGe folds
t26 folds
H8WURKN folds
oli5001 folds
madandy0107 folds
echele85 folds
razios folds
deeznutz101 raises to 360
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 calls 240
*** FLOP *** [2d 9d Ah]
deeznutz101 bets 695, and is all in
Bentheman87 calls 695
deeznutz101 shows [Qc Kd]
Bentheman87 shows [3c 3d]
*** TURN *** [2d 9d Ah] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [2d 9d Ah 6h] [Qs]
deeznutz101 shows a pair of Queens
Bentheman87 shows a pair of Threes
deeznutz101 wins the pot (2,110) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,110 | Rake 0
Board: [2d 9d Ah 6h Qs]
Seat 1: oli5001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: madandy0107 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: echele85 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: razios (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: deeznutz101 (small blind) showed [Qc Kd] and won (2,110) with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Bentheman87 (big blind) showed [3c 3d] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: RoccoGe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: t26 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: H8WURKN didn't bet (folded)

Bad call probably but I had the best hand and read him for KJ or J10 or QJ, sb was very aggressive throughout the tournament.

Brutus it was obvious this guy had a small pair or had nothing because he limped behind a limper utg. If he limped utg and made reraise then I'd give him credit for a hand.

Bentheman87 said:

Then a few days ago deposited $350 to start playing again. BRM? No I don't take detailed records, I just focus on playing my best. Ocassionally I check sharkscope or officialpokerrankings for my stats.

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BRM = bankroll management...as in playing within generally accepted minimum guidelines. We have some great threads around here on BRM. Part of being a winning player (besides cashing) is keeping detailed records of how you're doing. It's part of the whole being honest to yourself thing. There is no real way to know exactly how you are doing from a #s perspective if you don't track anything. Yeah, online sites are okay, but the real truth is in the detailed numbers.

Also, take a read (or reread) through Poker Strategy - Poker Theory, Poker Articles, Strategies & Tips..

Do you use Poker Tracker?

Also, I'm moving this out of hand analysis and into poker strategy and this is more about working on helping you than just analyzing some hands.

took a long break
15:32:45 ET - 2008/01/26
17:46:48 ET - 2008/01/26

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i aint trying to be a smartass but that aint what you mean by a long break is it ???

By long break I mean about 2 or 3 weeks without playing at all, I put in a self exclusion for that long. Btw, I'm not talking about a one bad beat I'm talking about running bad, because hands like that happen to me every day for the past 3 months (about 2 and a half months if you don't include my break time).

Bentheman87 said:

I'm talking about running bad, because hands like that happen to me every day for the past 3 months (about 2 and a half months if you don't include my break time).

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That's not a streak, that's a tradition.

But it is something we can work on. To be honest, I find it hard to believe that it's ALL bad luck. A lot of times, some of our "bad luck" in hands is a by-product of leaks in our games. Sounds like there is definitely some studying and analysis in your future if you intend on continuing and actually want to win. And we can help with that.

I blame calling a raise with 33 then calling an all in on an ace high flop the reason for the losing.

Start to play cash game if you dont like downswings.... I didnt like downswings like you,thats why I began to play cash game.

You should just stop playing poker. Quit now, while you are ahead.

Yeah you're probably right. I can't go one god damn day without something like this happening, and on top of that I lose 2 races for every one I win every single day. Maybe I should take like a 1 or 2 month break and see how I do when I come back?

Full Tilt Poker Game #5022674644: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38133244), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:40 ET - 2008/01/27
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ (920)
Seat 2: Bentheman87 (2,960)
Seat 5: fo81mm (860)
Seat 6: txtwin (1,520)
Seat 8: Creation Killer (3,580)
Seat 9: Soltantgris (3,660)
Creation Killer posts the small blind of 120
Soltantgris posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [Qc Qd]
Nittany WIZ raises to 920, and is all in
Bentheman87 raises to 2,960, and is all in
fo81mm folds
txtwin folds
Creation Killer folds
Soltantgris folds
Bentheman87 shows [Qc Qd]
Nittany WIZ shows [Jd Qh]
Uncalled bet of 2,040 returned to Bentheman87
*** FLOP *** [9d 9c 8c]
*** TURN *** [9d 9c 8c] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 9c 8c 3c] [Ts]
Bentheman87 shows two pair, Queens and Nines
Nittany WIZ shows a straight, Queen high
Nittany WIZ wins the pot (2,200) with a straight, Queen high
The blinds are now 150/300
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,200 | Rake 0
Board: [9d 9c 8c 3c Ts]
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ showed [Jd Qh] and won (2,200) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 2: Bentheman87 showed [Qc Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 5: fo81mm didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: txtwin (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Creation Killer (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Soltantgris (big blind) folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #5022681772: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38133244), Table 1 - 150/300 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:30:13 ET - 2008/01/27
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ (2,200)
Seat 2: Bentheman87 (2,040)
Seat 5: fo81mm (860)
Seat 6: txtwin (1,520)
Seat 8: Creation Killer (3,460)
Seat 9: Soltantgris (3,420)
Soltantgris posts the small blind of 150
Nittany WIZ posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [Ah 8c]
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 folds
fo81mm folds
txtwin folds
Creation Killer folds
Soltantgris raises to 900
Nittany WIZ folds
Uncalled bet of 600 returned to Soltantgris
Soltantgris mucks
Soltantgris wins the pot (600)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Bentheman87 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: fo81mm didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: txtwin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Creation Killer (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Soltantgris (small blind) collected (600), mucked

Full Tilt Poker Game #5022687260: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38133244), Table 1 - 150/300 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:30:38 ET - 2008/01/27
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ (1,900)
Seat 2: Bentheman87 (2,040)
Seat 5: fo81mm (860)
Seat 6: txtwin (1,520)
Seat 8: Creation Killer (3,460)
Seat 9: Soltantgris (3,720)
Nittany WIZ posts the small blind of 150
Bentheman87 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [8d 8c]
fo81mm calls 300
txtwin raises to 1,520, and is all in
Creation Killer folds
Soltantgris folds
Nittany WIZ folds
Bentheman87 raises to 2,040, and is all in
fo81mm calls 560, and is all in
Bentheman87 shows [8d 8c]
fo81mm shows [7s As]
txtwin shows [Jc Ac]
Uncalled bet of 520 returned to Bentheman87
*** FLOP *** [5d 7c Kd]
*** TURN *** [5d 7c Kd] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7c Kd Jh] [6d]
Bentheman87 shows a pair of Eights
txtwin shows a pair of Jacks
txtwin wins the side pot (1,320) with a pair of Jacks
fo81mm shows a pair of Sevens
txtwin wins the main pot (2,730) with a pair of Jacks
fo81mm stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,050 Main pot 2,730. Side pot 1,320. | Rake 0
Board: [5d 7c Kd Jh 6d]
Seat 1: Nittany WIZ (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Bentheman87 (big blind) showed [8d 8c] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 5: fo81mm showed [7s As] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: txtwin showed [Jc Ac] and won (4,050) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: Creation Killer didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Soltantgris (button) didn't bet (folded)

Can't make any damn profit cuz for every game I do well in and win something like this happens...

Looks like you have my luck at Full Tilt! Just what happens...don't quit, just understand that you WILL get sucked out on a hell of a lot more online than live. People say it's because there is more hands/hour, etc....whatever the reason, I feel your pain, believe me. Just keep going in with the best and you will win. Maybe start pushing harder preflop. You won't make as much when people just fold around to you, but you won't lose it either! Good Luck...(since you seem to have mine) you'll need it!

Bentheman87 said:

I can't go one god damn day without something like this happening, and on top of that I lose 2 races for every one I win every single day.

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This is why it's helpful to have records of your play: is this actually happening, or is it just selective recall?

If you're behind right now because you actually are losing two out of every three races, then you'll even out in the long run.

If, on the other hand, you're winning about the right number of races but there are some leaks in your game that are causing you to fall behind, and that in turn is making you think you're not winning your fair share of races, then you've got a bigger problem to look into.

I don't like the push with 88 on that last hand. There's already 1 player all in, the other guy is going to be compelled to call your push given how short his stack is. I don't think i'd voluntarily enter a race with my whole stack against 1 opponent, never mind 2..

Sounds like quite bad luck on some of them hands, and the fact that it all happened on the night of my 24th bday makes me smile as while u were on a bad run I was fully enjoying myself away from the tables with bad beats far from my mind hehe anyways i was looking at this hand though

Full Tilt Poker Game #5006442672: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (38006424), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:46:48 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: oli5001 (2,133)
Seat 2: madandy0107 (1,185)
Seat 3: echele85 (1,385)
Seat 4: razios (1,640)
Seat 5: deeznutz101 (1,055)
Seat 6: Bentheman87 (1,140)
Seat 7: RoccoGe (1,430)
Seat 8: t26 (1,474)
Seat 9: H8WURKN (2,058)
deeznutz101 posts the small blind of 60
Bentheman87 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bentheman87 [3c 3d]
RoccoGe folds
t26 folds
H8WURKN folds
oli5001 folds
madandy0107 folds
echele85 folds
razios folds
deeznutz101 raises to 360
Bentheman87 has 15 seconds left to act
Bentheman87 calls 240
*** FLOP *** [2d 9d Ah]
deeznutz101 bets 695, and is all in
Bentheman87 calls 695
deeznutz101 shows [Qc Kd]
Bentheman87 shows [3c 3d]
*** TURN *** [2d 9d Ah] 6♥
*** RIVER *** [2d 9d Ah 6h] Q♠
deeznutz101 shows a pair of Queens
Bentheman87 shows a pair of Threes
deeznutz101 wins the pot (2,110) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,110 | Rake 0
Board: [2d 9d Ah 6h Qs]
Seat 1: oli5001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: madandy0107 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: echele85 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: razios (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: deeznutz101 (small blind) showed [Qc Kd] and won (2,110) with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Bentheman87 (big blind) showed [3c 3d] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: RoccoGe didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: t26 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: H8WURKN didn't bet (folded)

Now i dunno how sage like this advice is gonna be as i don't consider myself a master of the game but here's my 2 bits worth, At this point in a Turbo tournament with ur chip stack what it was (Less than 10x BB) and although not on a spread out (in terms of stacks) table u were the short stack. Right about now, especially in a turbo, i'd be looking to pick my spots and be aggresive whenever i could, i don't think i would've picked BB with pocket 3's as a place to make a stand, especially as there was a raise from the small blind behind you, remember that the most aggresive players still get a hand sometimes and if i was going to make a stand against an aggresive sb i'd want to do it with better than 3's.

Saying, oh he was really aggresive, in this situatuion shows u weren't thinking very hard, just think of the stereotype aggressive player, entering with a wide range of suited/connected hands, with the huge range that he could be raising with I would never have called with treys cuz he is nearly always gonna have 2 overcards on you with flush/str8 possibilities, so he's trying to hit any of the cards that'll make his str8 or flush or any of his overcards to give him a winning pair, while your just looking for them 2 lil 3's.

With a raise before me and knowing that if i called i'd be down to 900 chips and in trouble this would be an easy fold for me.

Hope i haven't been too patronising, i never meant to be if i have, just trying to share my views, thanks

Not much advice I can give that hasn't been given. Just remember, you're not as bad as your worst day. You're definetely not as good as your best day. Luck always evens out. So, if you feel the run of bad luck has run too long, it's probably not all bad luck. Take an honest look at your game and re-evaluate your style.