Can someone help? Extreme weird 1/2 NL game and endless bad luck

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Had been playing in a Asian held home game for a while. The game is 1/2 with 300 buy in max. This game is full of Asians who love gambling. Everyone of them will raise any hand like 78s or K10 off or even 23s in any position with at least 10xbb. Yeah you heard me, at least 10xbb. Their wide range made me crazy because when you are holding QJ, you Don't know if they are raising AJ or KJ, they might be raising with J10 and bet out aggressively. Some people might say, wAit for the best spot and only play super prime hand like AK or AJ. The problem is, the action of this game is extremely crazy that no one will fold a hand against a 10xbb raise, which make your hand so hard to be good on river. Because they normally call you every single street with a second pair or a bottom pair, hoping to hit trips or two pairs. I found at least 50% of time someone gonna hit a better hand than me since no one is folding even when you a re the pre fold raiser and C bet huge for value. Let's say when you have Aces, and you raise 25xbb, there will be at least 5 caller. Even you are holding aces, you only have less than 50% to win Against 4 other plAyer. It is just extremely hard to win with aces because the range of those guys are crazy wide that they might hit everything.

I also found out that I am in a bad situation where I ran super bad. How bad? It has been a month and I'be been dealt At least 30 times AA and kK or 10 10, and i only won 6 times. No joking, only 6 times out of 30times with Aces Kings. I don't limp, so I try to make ppl fold crash hand. They problem is, they won't fold. I not only ran bad with aces, I also ran bad when I flop top two pair, they beat me down in river with back door flush/straight, trips because once they have a chance to win, they gonna call all your bets. Yes they are fish and calling station. But I just can't win a single hand. Tonight I had 22 on bottom, someone raise 20, everyone called. That's 180 in the pot( 9 handed), I hit set and sb bets out 55 and 6 ppl called. Yeah, only with flop 3 cards, 6 ppl called. The board came out 2, 4 8 rainbow. I reraised 200$( everyone had nearly 500$). Sb went all in with (35s), next one went all in with A8. One went all in with 67 and decide s to chase the gut shot. i off course all in. The turn came Ace and river the 5. Yes, the one who was chasing the gut shot took down the pot. And when I ask why wouldn't he fold he said: there are too much in the pot that he cannot resist. Sure, 180 preflop plus 300 on the flop. With 4 way all in 400, that's about 2.2k in the pot. This is just one specific game, i Also lost when I flop top set and someone hit runner runner flush.

In sum, I ran badly enough that I can't win a single hand. In 3 nights. I lost over 10k ( they put this on debt so I don't have to pay it back right away), but I really can't afford the 10k lost. Also the reason why I lost 10k is because I literally got bad beat every hand or cooler every time when I had the second nuts. When I have ace king, 80% I won't hit a pair or any draw, and as for the 20% I hit the ace King, 70% of the time other people have ace rag gonn call me till the river and hit his miracle two pair.

I am crazy now and I can't sleep well. I can say 100% I am not the fish because I know how position or hands works and I also had great wining playing in a normal cAsino. But against those guy who never fold a hand, I can't win. What should I do to avoid runing bAd and cooler? I have been siting here tonight for 8 hours waiting for the best spot( ace King on bottom or other primo hand in position), I still lost 3k because they just crazily go all in and I can win one Player but I cAn't win 4 players. Sometimes I have to be forced to fold my top pair top kicker. And they even bet on a flush board with top pair or two pair. That confused me because if I call, it is a big chunk of my stAck, sometimes they have the flush, sometimes they don't. I think my brain is getting destoyed by them.

Any good advice? Please help me. Thinking selling my car now to pay debt. In a extremely bad mood:(
 
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Any good tips for playing ppl like them, I am planing to win my 10k back( in this place if you run good you can win 2k one hand, but normally you make 3k mAximum one night)
 
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You need to cut your losses and quit.

Anyone who tells you that you can win by doing XYZ is helping you self-destruct.
 
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You need to cut your losses and quit.


Are u suggesting me to quit poker forever? Or simply from this home game. My nearest casino is about 2 hrs from my places, but this home game is 5 min drive. Also I can't afford to pay 10k, I have to either win it back or kill my self : (
 
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You wont win if you cant afford to lose.
 
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what hes trying to say is that no one can escape losing at poker
no matter how good you are\think you are
this game is a rollercoaster, if you put your money on 80% fav, you will at the end of the year be on the + side,
if you believe your playing is the right move keep on doing it, there are moments of bad luck but suck it up and dont let it hurt your game
 
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It sounds to me you are playing in too big a game. There are a ton of sayings about scared money playing badly. I know it is hard, but you are not rolled for this game.

IMHO, you need 100 buy-ins yo play in a game like this.
 
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If you were winning at the casino? Then why would you not stay where you know you can win? Sure it is two hours away but still your making money. And that should be all it comes down to. You need to cut your losses. It can only and will get worst....sorry to hear about that kind of debt. What were you thinking? 10,000$ can change a mans life. And you blew it on Poker man.

Sounds like a really deep stacked game. I would say once you get a hand such as "Aces". You need to just barrel on them. Raise it to 100 then. Wait until you hit the flop very hard. "Sets" , "Flush Draw /w Open End Straight" Top Two-Pair then get it in. At least these are my suggestions. And if the blinds are only 1-2 and you have 300$ behind....I mean come on man.....Your super-deep-stacked at that point...Wait until you get good cards then bet.

Best of luck man. That is rough.....10,000$ wow.
 
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I can give you poker advice and I can also give you gambling advice:

My poker advice is that this is a very high variance table and you can easily expect swings of up to around 30 BI. That means you can potentially be a winning player and still lose 30 BI x $300 = 9k, just from a downswing. This isn't far off what you've lost and I'd recommend at least a 50 BI bankroll for this game format.

If you do continue playing this game, you'll want to play a lot of marginal hands that perform well in multiway pots (low to medium pocket pairs, suited connectors and suited Aces), as well as continuing to make huge raise sizes of around 20x whenever you have a premium hand (AQ, AK, JJ+). If it's a MW pot, you'll want to flop 2 pairs or better, a flush draw or an OESD, or else you can just check-fold the flop. Don't take TPTK or overpairs too hard in MW pots. If it's a draw heavy board, the SPR is reasonable low (3 or less) and you have TPTK or better, you'll want to make a very large Cbet size (around pot-sized bet, even an overbet is acceptable) and try to get your stack in on the flop or turn.

These players actually sound somewhat decent by the fact that they know how to make thin value bets: if the third spade gets there on the river and the villain still makes a 70% pot bet with 2 pair, that's a thin value bet and it's actually a pretty strong play. If your opponents are raising a lot and playing their draws aggressively (ie. semi-bluffing), that's also a sign that they're decent players. Even though you think they're fish, it's difficult to play against aggressive players who semi-bluff a lot and make lots of thin value bets.

But as for gambling advice, you need to come to terms with the fact that this is a high variance game that you don't have the bankroll to support. Remember that every session is independent of the last: just because you've recently been through a huge downswing, doesn't mean the downswing is going to stop sometime soon. Today could be the start of a brand new downswing that costs you a further 20 BI. If you quit now, you're potentially saving yourself several thousand dollars.

If you want to continue playing poker in the future, deposit $100 into an online poker account and build your bankroll up from the 1c/2c tables. Every stake below 25NL online plays fairly passively and the swings are quite manageable. In addition to this, you'll improve at a much faster rate playing online compared to live, due to the sheer volume of hands you can grind in any given time-frame. You can play more hands in 5 minutes of online poker than you can in 2 hours of live poker, and more hands = more experience.

But before you can think about poker, you'll want to sort out the current mess you're in. You say you've lost $10k and a large portion of that money belongs to other players whom you owe money. You're not going to win this money back against those same people because of the psychology (AKA tilt) factor: when you're desperate to win and lacking in confidence from previous bad beats, you're not going to be playing your A game and this will only cost you more. You need to take a break from poker.

You also need to accept that there are other ways to acquire $10k that don't involve going deeper down the rabbit hole. Yes, it's going to be difficult and it will take you some time to recover from this, but there are opportunities out there. You should take a few months off poker (and all forms of gambling, whether they be +EV or -EV gambling) to work a full-time job (or as many hours as you can get at a casual or part-time job) and make friends with people that have no affiliation with gambling and can give you a new perspective on life. You'll be able to slowly pay that money back after working for a few months. In that time, you should also try doing other activities that you might enjoy, like going to the beach, going hiking, weightlifting at the gym, watching movies and TV series', going to bars and parties, attending heavy metal concerts, cleaning and redecorating your house/apartment, etc. Trust me, if you take 3 months off gambling to distract yourself with these types of activities, you will feel much happier, more energetic, more refreshed and you'll essentially feel like a brand new person.

Please feel free to private message me if you have any more questions or concerns. Good luck with everything!
 
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I can give you poker advice and I can also give you gambling advice:

My poker advice is that this is a very high variance table and you can easily expect swings of up to around 30 BI. That means you can potentially be a winning player and still lose 30 BI x $300 = 9k, just from a downswing. This isn't far off what you've lost and I'd recommend at least a 50 BI bankroll for this game format.

If you do continue playing this game, you'll want to play a lot of marginal hands that perform well in multiway pots (low to medium pocket pairs, suited connectors and suited Aces), as well as continuing to make huge raise sizes of around 20x whenever you have a premium hand (AQ, AK, JJ+). If it's a MW pot, you'll want to flop 2 pairs or better, a flush draw or an OESD, or else you can just check-fold the flop. Don't take TPTK or overpairs too hard in MW pots. If it's a draw heavy board, the SPR is reasonable low (3 or less) and you have TPTK or better, you'll want to make a very large Cbet size (around pot-sized bet, even an overbet is acceptable) and try to get your stack in on the flop or turn.

These players actually sound somewhat decent by the fact that they know how to make thin value bets: if the third spade gets there on the river and the villain still makes a 70% pot bet with 2 pair, that's a thin value bet and it's actually a pretty strong play. If your opponents are raising a lot and playing their draws aggressively (ie. semi-bluffing), that's also a sign that they're decent players. Even though you think they're fish, it's difficult to play against aggressive players who semi-bluff a lot and make lots of thin value bets.

But as for gambling advice, you need to come to terms with the fact that this is a high variance game that you don't have the bankroll to support. Remember that every session is independent of the last: just because you've recently been through a huge downswing, doesn't mean the downswing is going to stop sometime soon. Today could be the start of a brand new downswing that costs you a further 20 BI. If you quit now, you're potentially saving yourself several thousand dollars.

If you want to continue playing poker in the future, deposit $100 into an online poker account and build your bankroll up from the 1c/2c tables. Every stake below 25NL online plays fairly passively and the swings are quite manageable. In addition to this, you'll improve at a much faster rate playing online compared to live, due to the sheer volume of hands you can grind in any given time-frame. You can play more hands in 5 minutes of online poker than you can in 2 hours of live poker, and more hands = more experience.

But before you can think about poker, you'll want to sort out the current mess you're in. You say you've lost $10k and a large portion of that money belongs to other players whom you owe money. You're not going to win this money back against those same people because of the psychology (AKA tilt) factor: when you're desperate to win and lacking in confidence from previous bad beats, you're not going to be playing your A game and this will only cost you more. You need to take a break from poker.

You also need to accept that there are other ways to acquire $10k that don't involve going deeper down the rabbit hole. Yes, it's going to be difficult and it will take you some time to recover from this, but there are opportunities out there. You should take a few months off poker (and all forms of gambling, whether they be +EV or -EV gambling) to work a full-time job (or as many hours as you can get at a casual or part-time job) and make friends with people that have no affiliation with gambling and can give you a new perspective on life. You'll be able to slowly pay that money back after working for a few months. In that time, you should also try doing other activities that you might enjoy, like going to the beach, going hiking, weightlifting at the gym, watching movies and TV series', going to bars and parties, attending heavy metal concerts, cleaning and redecorating your house/apartment, etc. Trust me, if you take 3 months off gambling to distract yourself with these types of activities, you will feel much happier, more energetic, more refreshed and you'll essentially feel like a brand new person.

Please feel free to private message me if you have any more questions or concerns. Good luck with everything!


Very ,VERY good post here. I pretty much agree with everything your saying here. Great advice . +1
 
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All I can say is whenever you come out of this mess, if you do, never do that again. play only with the money you dont need so you dont care if is lost.
 
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Not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are the mark and this game revolves around you if you got lent 10k and lost it in 3 days playing live 1/2. Thats 50 buy ins that you lost in under 1k hands. You might need to seek help for a gambling problem.
 
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Home game.

With asians.

"Owed debt".

The first and last scream you are being taken. Its incredibly easy to cheat at this game. Id prove it if i was there.
 
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