some vpip over 50 are more dangerous than regular one

I used to post a thread about a smart 90/45 player. Yesterday I lost 600bb to a player 65/21.I will post some hands
I'd like to open a thread to record my experience vs this kind of player. As I have played poker on and off for years, no success at all. Most lost is against this kind of player.
The thread can be a reminder and record to see if I can stop spew. If I can not overcome it and win, I will stop playing poker.
I am trying to profile this kind of players:
very loose preflop but control very well after flop
fold most hand after flop.
bet straight and flush draw board
call with sm pair to end
bet big when have the nut
I think why they are dangerous is because you are eager to win big from these "fish", but they are smart so that even you win you win small. But as they only bet flush and straight big or two pairs like 2J which you never gone read from their hands, you often lose big. Also because they are loose and know to play AA KK slow, you will often get punished by 3 barrel bet and lose big on the river.
So my plan is only bet the flop as they will fold most hand, very less turn bet, never bet river except the nuts. When he bet big never call with tptk and 2 pairs especially with the flush on the board, I will give up my set here.
Based on this strategy, my conclusion is you will only get some edge profit from this players. No room to win big. Do not even think about it.
I would like to ask you guy do you think this is the right answer.

Post my record here, list all big loss. horrible memory
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...50/10-nlhe-6-max-big-loss-270057/#post2696535

Their only "advantage" is that they hit more bullshit 2P hands, but overall it is LOLeasy to crush them.

Think on it from their perspective - they are losing so many small pots they NEED to win big when they (rarely) bink to compensate. Also they have to chase a lot, often OOP, then donkshove rivers etc., all of which is terrible.

To play against this kind of player check the bet sizing and timing tells in specific conditions, you can find some differences and if you are playing tight passive game against this player, then you are going to lose in long run. Instead of that, play tight aggressive and play some heads up games so you can play marginal hands profitably and how to read a guy who are loose aggressive? In tight passive game, when you bet , then he knows that you have something good. So, you have to show him some bluff hands which helps you to confuse him. So, when you get a good card then bet him three barrels but if you think that any draws are completing for his range, then do not barrel.

I think th advantage is when they hit the 2p hands or flush straight, their chance to get paid large is very big, which compensate their loss.

LD1977 said:

Their only "advantage" is that they hit more bullshit 2P hands, but overall it is LOLeasy to crush them.

Think on it from their perspective - they are losing so many small pots they NEED to win big when they (rarely) bink to compensate. Also they have to chase a lot, often OOP, then donkshove rivers etc., all of which is terrible.

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I have seen videos in comments about fish is that we should use a rager less hands because they give call in 4bet 3bet pre flop with many hands, if you hit top pair after the flop with over card try to extract value, but never bluff

Big pots = big hands, small pots = small hands. Risk 25-27% stack with 1 pair, 35-40% with 2 pair and (GII with sets + depending on board texture. This is a goofy way toward putting bet sizing into perspective, but I hope it helps someone, good luck on the tables.

really a good idea. the % stack you give is the total you put into the hand or just the last bet.GII means all in?

deceptionist99 said:

Big pots = big hands, small pots = small hands. Risk 25-27% stack with 1 pair, 35-40% with 2 pair and (GII with sets + depending on board texture. This is a goofy way toward putting bet sizing into perspective, but I hope it helps someone, good luck on the tables.

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zdm said:

GII means all in?

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"Get It In".

I am not an experienced Player but actually seek out Tables where these AggroTards lurk.

The advise you were given, to play TAG on them is spot on.

Today I was in a massive Whale/Fish pool. I actually wrote down some of the Stats for you guys.

VP71/PF16
VP/82/PF36
(these stats were for just two players at the table. The other one was an Aggro Whale on Steroids!)

I was like WTF? Everyone thinks they are the "Tony G." on Crack of .5NL?

I have discovered that the "Check Raise" and "Check Call" are my favorite choice of bait with these Whales!

(I have been sucked out by them too! Lost AA ALL IN to 2-9 OS! But that is not the majority of the time and it does SUCK when it happens.)

I am attempting to Grind my way up from the Micro Stakes and am not experienced but this seems to work for me in the Stakes level I am playing and it certainly seems to work when used with discretion at the higher Stakes and Tourney's.

The following Video's have really helped me a lot and you might find them helpful too. At the Micro Stakes the players are not thinking a whole lot and you can get away with using variations of this strategy! Repeatedly!

Feel free to PM if it helps you as I would love to know!

It's Daniel Negreanu teaching the "Johnny Chan Play."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKVUa6Cc-Z0

Also, here is a good Vid by Negreanu regarding "How to Deal with Maniacs" (and Profile them!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9MVAY-5Vd4

Regards,

GypsyChick

always respect ur opponent. find the correct strategy choose ur actions wisely. play less tables if needed.