Some marginal decisions

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Weisssound

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Start with this one:

Hero is in the CO, has 4c 3h

UTG folds
UTG + 1, calls for .50
Hero calls
Button folds
SB, calls for .25
BB checks.

FLOP (pot is $2.00):

Ac 3d 3c

SB Checks
BB Checks
UTG + 1, Bets $3.00
Hero calls for $3.00
SB folds
BB folds

The over bet here is odd to me.

TURN (pot $8.00): 9h

UTG +1, Bets $5.00
Hero, Calls $5.00

Pretty sure that 9h is a blank and that I'm good with my set and up against something like A Rag.

River (pot $18.00): Ah

UTG +1, Bets $8.53
Hero folds.

UTG +1 does not show.

I tanked for a while on that one. I considered calling because the bet on the flop was so weird. I thought - could be a combo draw. But then I thought, what combo draws are out there if I have the 4c? Only other reasonable hand through that logic would be Ac 2c (I think 2c 5c isn't even limp opening pre-flop). But yeah, I folded my full house because I can't imagine I'm not beat - there's no way the guy is trying to bluff me with less than half pot if I called an over bet on the flop.
 
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It's such an easy fold pre, 43o is a terrible hand to be getting involved with. This indicates you have a very passive style of play. Another thing, you didn't have a set, it's called trips.
 
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There are so many different ways that this hand could have been played. The way you played it was a bit snug as i feel you could have raised on one of the previous streets, if not the flop there is a definite case for shove on the turn, irrespective of what the river card would have been or whether you would have won or lost the pot.

If i had played the way you did i would have called the river shove just because we have a full house and for his overbet on the flop looked fishy, like he wanted a weak ace to fold. Maybe he had a lower pair.
 
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Fold pre, this hand is too garbage... post-flop is fine
 
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well yeah not understanding the limp pre but here goes. It's tough to get a feel for the hand when we don't know stack sizes or villains tendencies etc.., it looks sort of fine to me i'm probably raising that turn big for V from Ax though granted trappings an option but there's a few river cards we don't like that leave us in a tough spot. I think as played you've just got to fold that river, sometimes he might have air but he's played the hand the same way he'd play an Ax type hand, overbet is sort of suspicious on the flop but i wouldn't look to much into it.
 
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OK but you don't have a set, you have trips.
 
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On to the next one. This one just proves that you play too many hands and you play them too passively. You should've never been in that spot to throw away those chips. You're playing 50NL?
 
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Should of folded pre. Also, I am not good at cash at all so I would not take much what I say. If I would of played that hand though the way I would of played it. 3-bet him on the flop. Then on that turn I am 3-betting him again. We have three of a kind here. Really only hand I would be putting him on that has you beat is A3. Which I mean he very well could have. If he did kudos, because he is probably just gonna call your 3-bets whole way anyway then on river easy fold. Like I said I am not good at cash so my way is probably totally wrong.
 
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Ok, I'll explain my logic.

Stack sizes, I had $55, villain had high thirties I believe - like $38.50 or something like that. Villain had open limped a few times, seemed to play aggressively but not like a maniac. I think this was actually thee only pot I limped in. Otherwise I was either folding or raising pre-flop.

Limping in pre:

I honestly don't know why. I hadn't limped along, I hadn't played any weird hands, so I figured I'd mix it up. So this was a mistake... but it didn't feel like a mistake at the time.

The flop:

I called because I didn't think there was any way raising would get me more money. He over bet the pot leading out. The only thing that made sense to this line was he had something like AT and didn't feel he would be called with any bet unless he made it look bluffy or just got lucky and someone had a worse ace. I figure if I raise, he most likely folds. If I call, he'll probably bet the turn.

The turn:

And he does bet the turn. The turn looks pretty blanky to me. Puts a flush draw out there, but somehow I didn't think so. I really feel like the guy might have tried something tricky like limping AT+ pre flop and now is trying to get money out of a smaller ace. But I think he's also weary of the possibility of me having TRIPS. My gut tells me that if I raise he folds, if I call he checks the river to me, I can put in a mid-sized value bet and get called. That to me seemed like the best way to get the most money. There's not too many cards I'm really worried about hitting on the river. Another heart would most likely just keep me from getting some value. Really the only card I need to fade is an ace.

The river:

Is of course, as always, the one card I didn't want to see. And his betting went from overzealous to cautious value to very inviting. I can't see it being a bluff. The only hand I can possibly imagine that doesn't beat me playing this way would be like 88, 77, but I can't fathom why those hands would over bet the flop either. The only conclusion I kept coming to was it had to be a value bet from Ax.

I don't know if I agree that I played this particular hand too passively. Maybe re-raise the turn, but I'd have to raise it to $14 or more in order to exceed what I think I could have gotten on the river. Which maybe would have been the way to go. But honestly, I think he just hit a two outer on the river.
 
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I will raise the turn for more values as the opponent may easily call. Then I can just check the river and go to showdown.
 
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In the first place, you should not be in the said hand.

Anyway, unlucky you were outdrawn on the river.

I believe he has the goods and not a pair at all.
 
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