Sniffing up trips

Hey cardschatters,

Well, I'm a winning player at the NL10 but there's a thing that really cuts my winnings. When I'm holding JJ+(mostly AA,KK) against an opponent, i seem to loose very often to trips.

An example of today: Villain raised 3xbb I 3bet to 9xbb and the flop is something like 5-9-10 and i c-bet, he three bets and we're all-in and he shows 99.

I know you have to be suspecious when someone plays so aggresively on such a dry board, but at the NL10 people are pretty lose so he could just as easily have 9 or 10 with a good kicker.

Any suggestions or tips to sniff up trips?

Thanks

99 on a 5-9-10 board is called a set, not trips. Trips would be 9X on a 5-9-9 board for example.

Sounds like you have a hard time folding over pairs post flop. Can you post the hand history of that hand you describe? Its hard to know whether you played it OK without seeing all the info. Also you say "at 10nl people are pretty loose" - this is a massive generalisation, I mean was your opponent in the mentioned hand a confirmed loose fish? Or are you assuming he is based on your perception of the average 10nl player? Do you use a tracker to help you sort out the nits from the tags and the fish?

Well sets are very hard to see... Yday i had similar case on 29Q board holding KK,he show me 22 in the end,not much i could do there...
Its hard when you have "just" pair... So no you cant sniff sets

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Really hard to detect sets.
You can either pay him off because your hand is so strong or control the damage by making the pot small.

micromachine said:

99 on a 5-9-10 board is called a set, not trips. Trips would be 9X on a 5-9-9 board for example.

Sounds like you have a hard time folding over pairs post flop. Can you post the hand history of that hand you describe? Its hard to know whether you played it OK without seeing all the info. Also you say "at 10nl people are pretty loose" - this is a massive generalisation, I mean was your opponent in the mentioned hand a confirmed loose fish? Or are you assuming he is based on your perception of the average 10nl player? Do you use a tracker to help you sort out the nits from the tags and the fish?

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Well, a set then. - I'm not saying everyone is loose, and by loose i don't mean fish, I mean LAG players, and yes I'm using a tracker for this. You're spot on about me having a hard time folding overpairs. I'll see if i can find some hands..

magicius said:

Well sets are very hard to see... Yday i had similar case on 29Q board holding KK,he show me 22 in the end,not much i could do there...
Its hard when you have "just" pair... So no you cant sniff sets

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Kills you when they show it

hffjd2000 said:

Really hard to detect sets.
You can either pay him off because your hand is so strong or control the damage by making the pot small.

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Yeah ofcourse, but at the same time you want to maximize the value of your premium hands..

It's hard not to lose a big pot with an overpair vs a set, especially on dry boards. That's why set mining is viable.

Since you can expect to lose a big pot when this happens, it's not something that cuts your winnings. Losing these hands is a natural part of your normal win rate. Yes, as you get better, you may be able to lose less sometimes. But realistically, how much do you think you're likely to save over a decent sample size?

Arjonius said:

It's hard not to lose a big pot with an overpair vs a set, especially on dry boards. That's why set mining is viable.

Since you can expect to lose a big pot when this happens, it's not something that cuts your winnings. Losing these hands is a natural part of your normal win rate. Yes, as you get better, you may be able to lose less sometimes. But realistically, how much do you think you're likely to save over a decent sample size?

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+1 on this.

I have drastically improved my game this month just by learning how to note/label my opponents properly, and adapt my playstyle after how they play.
The LAGs however is still unpredictable when it comes to sets, however the nits are a different story.
Since you are using a HUD (wich I just recently learned to use) it's fairly easy to separate Nit's, LAG's, TAG's and fishes after 20 - 40 hands.
Anyway, as Arjonius says there isn't much money you will save in the long run folding overpairs to LAG's.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

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Since you can expect to lose a big pot when this happens, it's not something that cuts your winnings.

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Well of course not. Because even though we sometimes lose big pots holding overpairs vs sets, we also win big pots holding the set vs overpairs.

The only way, and you said it yourself, you have to be suspicious of why someone is betting so aggressively on such a dry board,from all the years I've been playing I can say I'm about 50 -50 on catching it, but I do realize that when I do catch on to it, it was because I really was paying close attention!

New to the site. Hello everyone. Arjonius, in my opinion, it requires knowledge of the individual player. Without any knowledge you'd have to be having a very clear headed day to dodge a big loss on a flop like that with an over pair. Seems a bit easier in live games to sniff it out a monster, but even there you usually need to build some familiarity with the person. My father in-law got me in a cash game, I had QQ to his KK but he plays crap hands all the time. Therefore, I assumed he had top pair on the board. He led out after flop and he just called my pre flop raise. I reraised his led out and was committed after my reraise. Bit of a different scenario, but its a people game. I learned alot about old dad after that hand.

Well only players that are easy for read for me are nits with fishes you never know what they got

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Good evening,

Great feedback from all of you! As Arjonius says, it is hard not to loose a big pot, and I guess there's really nothing to do about it - You can just conclude that you have to be suspicious about playing a lag who is being really aggressive on a dry board

cheers

Try not to bet big when you got tptk/2pairs,save betting for bigger hands
It should be big hands-big pots,small hands-small pots ;-)

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Yep, as bad as overpairs are, try folding a flopped two-pair to someone flopping a set. For me this is a stack buster and most times I call even though my gut tells me something is wrong.

Just had hand set over set over set i though i will get moneyz but...
Qqq vs ttt vs 555 board was like QT75k...
Funny hand,dunno whats probability to get hand like this

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