From SNG to Cash game

I play mainly SNG, plus about 3 mtt's a week, have always played the same, moving up and down the limits as my bank roll allowed.

I really want to start playing cash games, My bankroll is around $1500 altogether, I have over half of that at Absolute, so that is where I would like to try the cash games. I am thinking the 10c/25c game is about right for $800 bankroll ?

Also I am a bit worried, I used to be a really tight player, but playing tournaments for the past two years, has taught me to push when needed, of course this isn't the case with a cash game, you just play each hand as a new hand, without having to consider being blinded away.

Any advice on making the switch ?

well truly the 0.25/0.50 and a 40 dollar buy in at max becuse max buy in you want is always at most 5% of your roll and well i can't switch when i play cash games and i switch to tourney's i suck and vis versa. and dont contribute your whole roll to it if you start losing 100-200 and really no ups i would just stick to what you do best.

Do not get attached to TPTK. Ok you will take down pots with it, but if you take this to the felt you will be reloading on a regular basis.

what does TPTK mean?

Jagsti said:

Do not get attached to TPTK. Ok you will take down pots with it, but if you take this to the felt you will be reloading on a regular basis.

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tptk means top pair top kicker

Cash games is a thing of its own.

First of all in many situations the cash game tend to be looser than tournaments.

Second of all, cash games can be very frustrating, it is almost impossible to get me into tilt on tournaments but with cash games it happens. Ok, so in a tournament you get drawn out a few times, in cash games some lucky bstrd can draw out on you over and over and over and over again.

Third, You're not playing to play for chips. Your strategy has to change. You are trying to maximize profits while minimizing risk. There is no super glory to jeopordize your stack to get anothers stack.

flint said:

Cash games is a thing of its own.

First of all in many situations the cash game tend to be looser than tournaments.

Second of all, cash games can be very frustrating, it is almost impossible to get me into tilt on tournaments but with cash games it happens. Ok, so in a tournament you get drawn out a few times, in cash games some lucky bstrd can draw out on you over and over and over and over again.

Third, You're not playing to play for chips. Your strategy has to change. You are trying to maximize profits while minimizing risk. There is no super glory to jeopordize your stack to get anothers stack.

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To be honest donk n go's can be exceedingly frustrating as well. I have a huge %age finish on the bubble for the $30 SnG's. I have decent ITM finishes and ROI's for $10, $20 and $50 games but the $30 games are killing me with the bubble finishes. So I think both games can be as equally frustrating.

I think what flint is trying to say, is that it hurts a whole lot more when it is money rather than chips you are losing. Ok so you can lose a tournament in one hand, but Cash games seem to drain you mentally when you get sucked out a few times.

I have decided to leave it for a while anyway, my bankroll isn't really big enough for it.

You are right the the SNG can be frustrating, as I have found out this week, which has been awful, where as the week before I had a great weeks.

The ups n downs

flint said:

Cash games is a thing of its own.

First of all in many situations the cash game tend to be looser than tournaments.

Second of all, cash games can be very frustrating, it is almost impossible to get me into tilt on tournaments but with cash games it happens. Ok, so in a tournament you get drawn out a few times, in cash games some lucky bstrd can draw out on you over and over and over and over again.

Third, You're not playing to play for chips. Your strategy has to change. You are trying to maximize profits while minimizing risk. There is no super glory to jeopordize your stack to get anothers stack.

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Pretty much the opposite of this^^.

$1500 is plenty of br for $25nl, although if you are very conservative you could even start at $10nl until you feel comfortable in the cash games.

Here is an article that you might find helpful.

Here is a quote that you might find useful:

"Tournaments you are usually trying to put pressure on and get your opponents to fold their hands to you. Whereas cash games you are typically trying to hit a better hand and get paid off." -- Paul Wasicka

aliengenius said:

Pretty much the opposite of this^^.

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Im glad you agree :joyman: . I think the best advice is what I heard stoxtrader say : I don't mind folding a few better hands if it means I can be more consistent in the long run.

Definately cash games is about making the best decisions for the long run. And it takes patience as you might have cold streaks and have to just sit there for hours with your balls freezing.

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Im glad you agree :joyman: .

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Well, maybe I am misunderstanding, but let me break it down...

flint said:

Cash games is a thing of its own.

Yes, this I agree with. There are significant differences between ring and tournament play.

First of all in many situations the cash game tend to be looser than tournaments.

Ring game play should be tighter, not looser than tournament play. Since the blinds never go up, you are not forced to play more and more marginal hands like you are in a tournament. Again, see this article.

Second of all, cash games can be very frustrating, it is almost impossible to get me into tilt on tournaments but with cash games it happens. Ok, so in a tournament you get drawn out a few times, in cash games some lucky bstrd can draw out on you over and over and over and over again.

I know you are speaking specifically about yourself here, but this also seems to be the opposite of what it should be. In a tournament a suckout can be devastating to your money making potential, either by knocking you out or crippling your stack. In a cash game you have the ability to reload/rebuy, so any single suckout isn't really of too much concern.

Third, You're not playing to play for chips. Your strategy has to change. You are trying to maximize profits while minimizing risk. There is no super glory to jeopordize your stack to get anothers stack.

If you are talking about cash game here (it is a little unclear), then again, it seems to be the opposite to me. In a cash game you ARE looking to stack someone. In a tournament you are concerned with survival first. In a cash game you don't have to "protect" your stack as much, since losing it doesn't end your ability to make money like it does in a tournament.

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