Slowplaying the nuts

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Has anyone else noticed on carbon micro cash games that it is extremly tight preflop but at the same time aggro post flop? pretty soon I am going to experiment with betting the flop w the nuts then check shoving the turn for value because I have noticed they almost always fire when checked to ik most places say not to slowplay but I am going to look into it for certain spots mostly on very dry boards w the nuts ect player dependent of course.
 
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Like you said, this is going to be player dependant, of course, but I think this might work reasonably well in many situations. Players have become so immune to the generic CBet that, more often than not, it gets no respect. So when you CBet flop, get called, then slow down on the turn; they interpret it as weakness/ that you were CBetting w/ air and often do lead into you on later streets. Just pay attention to stack sizes and their typical bet sizing so that when they do lead into you that you can shove and they will feel pot committed.
 
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Majority of players will bet when checked to, so bet the flop then checking turn with a hand you know you may not get 3 streets of value from is a really profitable move.

As for players being more aggro on carbon, I wouldnt be able to say but its probably more likely you just ran into an aggro few in row.
 
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Your hand's value doesn't matter as much as:

1) How vulnerable your hand is to both getting drawn out on and action killing cards.

2) Be more likely to slowplay if your opponent does not have very many hands he can give you action with. For example, QQ or KK on a K63 rainbow flop is fine to slowplay. KJ on a QT9 flop is a terrible hand to slowplay.

3) Be more likely to slowplay if your opponent has large amounts of hands that he can turn into a bluff in his range. For example, if our opponent flats our preflop raise on the button, his range includes a ton of speculative hands that leave him with lots of air on the flop.

I really don't think the player type matters that much. Sure, maniacs are more likely to bet if you check to them, but they're also more likely to raise if you bet into them.

And lastly, I don't think slowplaying is very smart the majority of the time, because your opponent can choose whether he wants to play a big pot or not. And when I have a strong hand, I like to ensure I have the opportunity to extract maximum value.
 
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Ok so would we maybe try this line with alot of floped sets on dry boards?
 
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I slow play flopped sets under certain circumstances. If there's an A on the flop, and I believe that's what the villain is playing, I pray for a K on the turn. That's when I put it in, claiming the K and looking weak. :)

I rarely wait for the river to pounce, unless the board is extremely dry. For me, I gotta have a plan. If I can't see an alley up front, I put it in on the flop, or at least put in a real big bet

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Makes sense also they could very well be holding AK on the A board and hit aces up :D
 
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Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
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Eh I forgot to get his stats again oh well anyhoo this guy was on total tilt had just open shoved 100bb from the button is this honestly how weak these players are stacking off with should I be doing this alot wider? Oh and the button has become my best friends fianly starting to understand how strong posistion is.
SB: $3.30
BB: $3.84
UTG: $2.57
UTG+1: $4.00
MP: $7.60
MP+1: $3.75
Hero (CO): $5.37
BTN: $2.75

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.11, Hero calls $0.11, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) 2:spade: 3:diamond: J:heart:
MP+1 bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.64, 2 players) 7:club:
MP+1 bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

River: ($1.60, 2 players) 8:spade:
MP+1 bets $1.20, Hero raises to $4.60 and is all-in, MP+1 calls $1.78 and is all-in

Hero shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
MP+1 shows 9:club: 9:spade: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 19%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $7.19
 
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+1 to c9s post, right on.


Only unsure if player type matters..cause some laggy players feel more comfortable/talk themselves iinto thinkin you're weak if you c/c every street.
 
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Mate I dident 3 bet here because the player was on obvious tilt and was very capable of 4 beting and I might have to throw it away if I get 4 bet here but yes normaly I would 3 bet.
 
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Mate I dident 3 bet here because the player was on obvious tilt and was very capable of 4 beting and I might have to throw it away if I get 4 bet here but yes normaly I would 3 bet.
Um... no? If he 4-bets you, then get all in?
 
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i feel like you made the right play with the 3-bet. the 4 bet can be intimidating with JJ even if the villan is on tilt.
 
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JJ is tricky. I like your play and your reasoning. Even morons get big hands, plus hands like Ax and KQ have excellent equity against JJ so calling a 4bet shove is not automatic. Well played.
 
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