Slow Playing a Monster?

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How do you feel about slow playing a monster, let's say trips on the flop. I always have bad luck, and now never slow play. Would you slow play trips on the flop. (Say 8 people on table, tourney, about even chips)
 
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I would only slowplay trips if there are no flush or straight draws on the flop. If thee are two of the same suit or two cards close to each other (like 6,8 or 8,9), I'd bet on the flop.
 
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Unless you have a big stack, and feel like it is the opportune time to be creative, do not slow play. I do it by feel, sometimes if I absolutely believe that I have a read on someone and I know that I will get the most chips by slowplaying, and the risk that my monster hand off the flop getting beat on turn and river are low, I'll slow play.

But like I said, its situtational, and it definitely isn't recommended in the scenario you mentioned above.
 
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another time to slow play is if you are short stacked. You may as well take a chance at doubling up. Basically, you have as many outs to the full house as your opponent does to the flush or straight. And sometimes you get the one card that completes the straight, the flush, and your full house.
 
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if you mean monster as in quads hell yes...as in trips like t1 said only if no straight or flush draws are on the board...as for flopping straight(if it's a to 5 straight i'll bet right out because of someone possibly having a 56) if it's a high straight i'll bet still (i hat eit when I flop my ace high straight and someone gets there runner for the same straight..so yea i'll bet ethier way)
 
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I was just recently reading an article by Mike Caro, wherein he was talking about mixing up your play, in order to confuse your opponents, so that they cannot get a proper read on you. But he warned against something he calls "FPS"--Fancy Play Syndrome. They should be few and far between, because if we use it too often, in the long run it will lose you money.

I can tell you that many, MANY times I've tried to slow play hands like...trips, let say, it has come back to bite me in the ass by the river. Sure, you want to maximize your profits, but just be careful not to be too "cute" about it. You don't want to give your opponents free draws, and then pot odds to call those draws.
 
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Slowplay or slowdance...I'd rather slowdance.

(Speaking purely of cash games) With trips, I slowplay only about 5% of the time. Then the texture of the flop needs to be in favor of a slowplay. A rainbow flop of K-7-4 would do it. I rarely slowplay trips if the flop has a flush or straight draw. I make a bet that gives my opponent bad odds and hope he calls.

Now, if I hit the nuts or a hand where I am sure my opponent has very few outs, I am more likely to SP...but keep in mind that a straight or flush nuts can go out the window as soon as the board pairs. So, personally, I prefer to make my standard flop bet of 1/2 to full pot and see what happens.

Oh, and I agree that when shortstacked in a tourney, SPing the trips may be the best way to get more chips.
 
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I have been bitten two many times over the years by slow playing "monster hands" in even up situations. Being in a dominant stack position slow playing hands always seems to be more productive. However, it is so true that we all are going to lose hands no matter how much pressure is placed on different types of players. Knowing your opponents tendencies as well as you own table image should greatly influence how you play these types of hands in most situations. Also, enough cannot be said about table position and how this influences your decisions. Goodluck.
 
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Personally, it depends on how I played my hand preflop. If I made a sizeable bet preflop and hit my trips on the flop, hell YES I need to bet and show that I completed a hand... make those draw-cowboys think twice about calling me down to the river.

However, if I simply limped in preflop then hit my hand, many times I'll lay low and call down to the river, playing my hand as if I'm still waiting for the card to complete my hand. By pitting two or more opponents against each other in this way, I find I can get a pretty accurate read on most players' hands as to whether or not my trips will hold up at the river. If I'm at least 70% sure that my hand is the best one after evaluating my opponents at each new card, I'll make a monster bet at the river and usually get called by at least one player who falsely assumes that I'm jamming the pot.
 
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if you mean monster as in quads hell yes...
Slowplaying quads may not be the best thing to do because your opponent may catch runner-runner straight flush like in this hand

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I generally make a continuation bet if I raised preflop whether or not flopped something huge. Continuation bets are very common so alot of players may not think anything of it. However if you raise big preflop then check the flop an experienced player will be suspicious.

And you're playing your opponents hand as well as yours so even if you flop a full house you dont have to worry about a flush or straight beating you but you need to bet anyway to get the most value from the hand. Betting lets you know if there is anyone out there drawing to something. Two pair a or a set is still in danger so you need to bet for protection and value for your hand. Hopefully the best hand holds.

But there are times when it's good to slowplay but most of the time I don't slowplay anything, unless I was the caller. This actually happened once, called a smallish raise with 22 and flopped quads. There were a couple of diamonds out there and my opponent (who had AJ) bet the flop and the turn with no pair then pushed the river, apparently putting me on a flush draw that never completed. So I won a nice pot.. :)
 
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Yes, DO NOT SLOW PLAY QUADS...lol

I have personal experience of flopping quads and losing to the royal flush. Lost about $500 in one hand...Not a pleasant experience!
 
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Yes, DO NOT SLOW PLAY QUADS...lol

I have personal experience of flopping quads and losing to the royal flush. Lost about $500 in one hand...Not a pleasant experience!


I never had that happen to me... ouch, talk about a BAD beat...

My worst beat happened at a B&M tourney... On my first hand, I was dealt AK suited, bet heavily, got a caller, who turned out to have a couple of rags, one of which hit. Of COURS my AK didn't pair... And then on the SECOND hand, I was dealt AA... being short stacked, (and admittedly a little on tilt) I shoved allin, got two callers, pocket 3's and pocket 9's. The 9's grabbed their set on the flop. :( poo.
 
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My worst beat happened at a B&M tourney... On my first hand, I was dealt AK suited, bet heavily, got a caller, who turned out to have a couple of rags, one of which hit. Of COURS my AK didn't pair... And then on the SECOND hand, I was dealt AA... being short stacked, (and admittedly a little on tilt) I shoved allin, got two callers, pocket 3's and pocket 9's. The 9's grabbed their set on the flop. :( poo.
Lana, remember this day...because if you continue playing poker there will soon be a time when you will not even consider this a bad beat. There will be worse, I promise!
 
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WHenever I slow play with trips on the flop I usually get taken at the river with a flush or straight. If i see possible straights or flushes i raise aggressively
 
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i like to fire in a big ish bet hitting trips on flop,previous games have taught me this is the way to play,as usaually slow playing gets u into trouble..Oh n by the way at Ladbrokes if you flop a set with 2 suits on the board the flush chasers will call no matter what sort of bet you fire in,of course these players are more often newbies and boy do they get lucky..
 
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Most here have already found out that slow playing ends up getting you killed. If you let opponents have a free or cheap card, they will play their longshot hands ... and we know how often the perfect card seems to fall.

I would always slow play quads. If you are going to get beat with a straight flush or royal flush (how astronomical are the odds of this?) it would probably happen no matter what. You tip your hat to the player and say "Nice hand," then you move away from the table or computer and find something to break really, really fast ... :D
 
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Maybe

I'm not a guru or anything, this is my first post :D
But i've just slow played trips and ended up splitting the pot because by the end of the hand there was a full house on the board, if i'd have betted big after the flop i'm fairly confident the other guy would've folded because i'd worked out he was a folder when raised to.
Saying that I have took some really big pots by slow playing my hand and think that the above story is more on the bad luck side of poker.
Also i don't think theres a better feeling than checking,being raised then calling on the flop and the turn, then seeing the other guy go all in on the river when ur sitting on a monster hand :)
 
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I slow played a monster today and it backfired. I made it too cheap for them to chase and someone caught a straight on the river. By the time I decided to slam the pot, which was after 4th street, someone already had an open end straight draw. For this reason, I think slow playing is not a good idea unless you have the absolute nuts.

Good luck all!!
 
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I also slowplay at the times t1riel had stated above, actually did that earlier this morning, I had 4-4, 2 callers and flop came up 7-Q-4 rainbow, perfect for slowplaying. action to me and I check next player min raises then the next player makes a huge raise and if I had just called would have been retarded because it was more than 3/4 my stack so I move all-in and he turns over Q-9 and it held up.
Slowplay the nuts only, cant consider it the nuts if there are draws out there so be careful and read the flop before considering a slowplay.
 
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