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off suit connectors from CO (what does CO mean? BB or BTN?) to SB----What is/are 'some' off suit connectors?? Also they say 'suited connectors'----ANY suited connectors?? Even, lets say, 4spades/5spades? Or 5d/9d?? They ARE connectors, right?:confused:
 
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CO is the cut off which is 1 to the right of the BTN, also known as the Hijack.

Generally 'connectors' are consecutive cards otherwise they would be talking about one-gappers & two-gappers. But you will have to make that determination from the context of the book.

IMHO QJ, JT, T9, 98 are the connectors that I will raise with from the CO on an unopened pot or with a limper that folds to a raise a lot.
Also depends on the BTN stats and how the BB defends.
 
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Connectors are any two cards that are of adjacent rank. 78, 9T, 23.

CO = Cutoff = 1 position from the button (2nd to last to act)

EDIT - My explaination is obviously better than Jilly's.

EDIT 2 - The Hijack is 2 from the button, not just another name for the cutoff.
 
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CO = Cut-Off or 1 seat to the right of the button

Suited connectors are suited cards without gaps between them so 4s5s yes, 5d9d no. Also remember their suggesting you raise with SC in late position in unopened pots to steal more than anything. The thing with SCs is that when you are called you have a hand that can flop a strong hand several ways.

EDIT - Obviously my answer is the best of the 3! :)
 
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CO is the cut off which is 1 to the right of the BTN, also known as the Hijack.

Generally 'connectors' are consecutive cards otherwise they would be talking about one-gappers & two-gappers. But you will have to make that determination from the context of the book.

IMHO QJ, JT, T9, 98 are the connectors that I will raise with from the CO on an unopened pot or with a limper that folds to a raise a lot.
Also depends on the BTN stats and how the BB defends.

Actually the Hijack is 2 to the right of the BTN and 1 to the right of the CO.
 
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CO = Cut-Off or 1 seat to the right of the button

Suited connectors are suited cards without gaps between them so 4s5s yes, 5d9d no. Also remember their suggesting you raise with SC in late position in unopened pots to steal more than anything. The thing with SCs is that when you are called you have a hand that can flop a strong hand several ways.
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ANY suited connectors?? Even, lets say, 4spades/5spades? Or 5d/9d?? They ARE connectors, right?:confused:

Yep im raising just about any suited connector in a unopened or sometimes even limped pot (obv not as much) from late positions. Youll be able to steal the blinds a good percentage of the time and even if you get a caller your usually last to act and a cbet takes the pot. Also theyre a very disguised hand so a flop which looks like it doesnt hit much of your 17% PFR (or whatever) may actually be a monster in disguise.
 
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Yep im raising just about any suited connector in a unopened or sometimes even limped pot (obv not as much) from late positions. Youll be able to steal the blinds a good percentage of the time and even if you get a caller your usually last to act and a cbet takes the pot. Also theyre a very disguised hand so a flop which looks like it doesnt hit much of your 17% PFR (or whatever) may actually be a monster in disguise.
ANY suited connectors? Even the lower hands--3-4 suited? Or the higher ones--say, K/Q down to 9/10? What range would be good to -- 1) Raise 2Xs BB (or more?) 2) limp with---say call a 2Xs BB??:rolleyes:
 
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6max or FR? 6max im raising as small as 23s on the button but thats becasue you naturally have to play more agressivley there and position plays a much bigger role (imo). FR im probably raising as far down as 45s on the CO & BTN but this is mainly stealing and is highly dependent on the blinds stats ect. The main thing with raising these hands is you want to steal the blinds. Ideally you want to take it down PF or on the flop with a cbet. If youve got to teh turn and only have middle pair weak kicker your obviously not going to be investing anymore money.

To answer your questions im never raising 2x the bb (min raise). Raise to 3x or limp/fold, min raising only provides better odds to players bhind you and folding out very few crap hands. As said before my range for 6max is quite wide ont the BTN, FR im probably raising 56s+. Limping with these hands is okay if youve got several limpers infront of you giving you good implied odds and position. Dont open limps these hands as youll be folding to most raises and missed flops.

Calling raises with these hands is another thing altogether. The thing with SCs is that they give you the maximum way of hitting a flop hard. You can hit straigts, flushs,two pairs ect. Alot of supposed TAGS at micros will say muck these hands to a raise, but dont! Villians stats. are vital to how you play these hands IP (in position). If youve got a LAG raising say 60/40 then yes fold your hand. You only want to play your premiums against him. If youve got a nit/TAG raising and youve got position on him call him occasionly. Your hand can hit big in so many ways, and is easy to fold on a missed flop. This means youll be seeing a flop for relativley cheap and either losing a small pot (not terrible) or winning a big pot (great!) as the TAGs / Nits will rarely want to let go of their TP or overpair.

Ugh ive written like a essay. These hands are tricky but definetly have a time and a place to play. Im not sure ive explained myself very well. If youve got more qs pm me and we'll hook up on msn.
 
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off suit connectors from CO (what does CO mean? BB or BTN?) to SB----What is/are 'some' off suit connectors?? Also they say 'suited connectors'----ANY suited connectors?? Even, lets say, 4spades/5spades? Or 5d/9d?? They ARE connectors, right?:confused:

Typically they probably mean bigger offsuit connectors so 9To JTo etc. 9Ts is a suited connector, 8Ts is a gapped connector, 7Ts is a double gapped connector, so a suited connector has no gaps basically.

Anyways it comes down to what game you play (6max/FR) and what style of play you want to play. FR playing TAG (so like 16/13 or so) you could throw away most off suit connectors and raise suited connectors but 6 max playing somewhat looser (24/20 say) you'd raise most offsuit connectors and a number of other hands from the CO.
 
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Sklansky can get confusing sometimes. He calls them all "connectors", whether they have gaps or not. When we here say "connectors", we typically mean the cards are consecutive. But to Sklansky, they dont have to be.
 
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Sklansky can get confusing sometimes. He calls them all "connectors", whether they have gaps or not. When we here say "connectors", we typically mean the cards are consecutive. But to Sklansky, they dont have to be.

sklansky has a bad case of COMS*
 
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