PC69
Legend
Silver Level
Gotta disagree with this Bryan.. This is not a true statement. Sometimes u got a aggro donk at ur table who if he makes big raise preflop maybe i might wanna just call and gamble he doesnt hit monster on the flop.. If he doesnt and I can check to him hes more than likely gonna ship it in here and I have him set up for busto..Just my opinion though... We all have different perspectives
PattyR
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
lol no bud..sorry but it is a true statement....if you got an aggro donk...than shove on his donkass...hell pay u off...dont limp ....EVER...IMO...which i think is right
Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
lol no bud..sorry but it is a true statement....if you got an aggro donk...than shove on his donkass...hell pay u off...dont limp ....EVER...IMO...which i think is right
Gotta agree here, If you do a standard raise the aggro donk will prob call or come up and over.
I would only call on an extremely nitty table that has showed it will fold to any pf raise.
Maid Marian
RIP Baby BooBoo
Silver Level
With AA, I raised, then only called post flop to increase the chippies & then re-raised. It depends on who I'm playing at the time & on which site too. On Ultimatebet, if I try to shove early on, I only win the blinds. On PS, I can usually get much more...that is, if I'm not beat by two pair or trips.
It depends on who I'm playing at the time & on which site too. On Ultimatebet, if I try to shove early on, I only win the blinds. On PS, I can usually get much more...that is, if I'm not beat by two pair or trips.
kidkvno1
Sarah's Pet
Bronze Level
He!! no, raise with them.. Look in Trigs SnG video, i played a hand the same way, even before i saw Trigs AA hand.. I had the same thoughts, that he could not have one of the 6s that where on the board, i got what i wanted, for the lager stack to re-raise me, and put me all-in..
If you got a short-stack you can only shove.
If you got a short-stack you can only shove.
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PattyR
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (MP3): $27.75 (111 bb)
CO: $33.85 (135.4 bb)
BTN: $8.50 (34 bb)
SB: $5 (20 bb)
BB: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
MP1: $22.15 (88.6 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with Q
K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.85) T
9
A
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($1.85) 6
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
River: ($1.85) J
(2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $11.25, BTN calls $3.75 and is all-in
Results: $17.35 pot ($0.85 rake)
Hero showed Q
K
(a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $16.50 ($8 net)
BTN mucked A
A
(three of a kind, Aces) and lost (-$8.50 net)
lol this is why you dont slow play aces
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (MP3): $27.75 (111 bb)
CO: $33.85 (135.4 bb)
BTN: $8.50 (34 bb)
SB: $5 (20 bb)
BB: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
MP1: $22.15 (88.6 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.85) T
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($1.85) 6
Hero checks, BTN checks
River: ($1.85) J
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $11.25, BTN calls $3.75 and is all-in
Results: $17.35 pot ($0.85 rake)
Hero showed Q
BTN mucked A
lol this is why you dont slow play aces
Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (MP3): $27.75 (111 bb)
CO: $33.85 (135.4 bb)
BTN: $8.50 (34 bb)
SB: $5 (20 bb)
BB: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
MP1: $22.15 (88.6 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with QK
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.85) T9A(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($1.85) 6(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
River: ($1.85) J(2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $11.25, BTN calls $3.75 and is all-in
Results: $17.35 pot ($0.85 rake)
Hero showed QK(a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $16.50 ($8 net)
BTN mucked AA(three of a kind, Aces) and lost (-$8.50 net)
lol this is why you dont slow play aces
Lol perfect example!
spiderman637
RIP Buck
Silver Level
I think, its good to raise 4x preflop with aces, if no one raised before you...
If someone has raised even 2x before you, i would suggest you to just call it and watch the flop...
Take a peek on one of my threads named "Limping with pocket".There are some real good advices there...
If someone has raised even 2x before you, i would suggest you to just call it and watch the flop...
Take a peek on one of my threads named "Limping with pocket".There are some real good advices there...
Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
I could be wrong, but if someone raises 2x bb, to me the min raise means absolutely nothing, you need to bump it up. I do not respect anyone's min raise nor do I min raise- Thanks to Chiefer he taught me that!
( after stomping all over mine)
PattyR
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
^ no your not wrong here poof...a min raise to 2xBB doesn mean anything....i had my KK cracked today because it was late in a tourney and somebody raised it 2xBB...i flat called to see a flop...J 7 8....i bet pot he shoves..i insta call...he shows 9 10 for the str8..
point of that short story is in the later of stages of a tourney ppl will raise with anything especially to steal blinds...so had i re popped it to like 10BBs he probably wouldnt have called...
point of that short story is in the later of stages of a tourney ppl will raise with anything especially to steal blinds...so had i re popped it to like 10BBs he probably wouldnt have called...
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Actionman77
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Your table image is very important. If you have been limping a lot you can limp with AA in EP and hope someone else raises. If they raise you can reraise and maybe get them to go all in or at least take down a nice pot. If no one raises and you go to a multiway pot, play AA like any other 1 pair hand. Overpairs are usually strong hands but against 3+ opponents it is very likely that someone has a good draw, a set, or 2 pair and your AA is not nearly as big as it seems.
If you've been raising a lot of pots just raise with AA because other players won't be able to tell if you have AA or 78o.
I don't know about the rest of you but I have been at tables where even if I raise 6xbb UTG I still get 4 or more callers. In a situation like that I just limp AA hoping to reraise someone and if not I usually fold if I don't hit a set and meet resistance postflop.
If you've been raising a lot of pots just raise with AA because other players won't be able to tell if you have AA or 78o.
I don't know about the rest of you but I have been at tables where even if I raise 6xbb UTG I still get 4 or more callers. In a situation like that I just limp AA hoping to reraise someone and if not I usually fold if I don't hit a set and meet resistance postflop.
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kmixer
Legend
Silver Level
If I re-rasie with AA and someone three bets me you can be sure I am shoving here.
No way I am calling a raise in front of me pre flop with AA
Now after the flop comes KKx I might be ready to get on out of there if there is a bet form the original raiser.
No way I am calling a raise in front of me pre flop with AA
Now after the flop comes KKx I might be ready to get on out of there if there is a bet form the original raiser.
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wobble
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 4
2
5 folds, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.15) 2
6
2
(3 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.18 and is all-in, CO calls $0.88
Turn: ($2.61) J
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($2.61) 9
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results:
Hero showed 4h 2d (three of a kind, Twos) and won $2.44 ($1.21 net)
CO showed As Ah (two pairs, Aces and Twos) and lost (-$1.23 net)
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 4
5 folds, CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.15) 2
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.18 and is all-in, CO calls $0.88
Turn: ($2.61) J
River: ($2.61) 9
Results:
Hero showed 4h 2d (three of a kind, Twos) and won $2.44 ($1.21 net)
CO showed As Ah (two pairs, Aces and Twos) and lost (-$1.23 net)
Rldetheflop
Head Ranger
Silver Level
Well i hate limping with Aces as it is only asking for trouble. But sometimes When i am short and desperate to double up and I am getting no action to my raises i will try to be sneaky but this is a rarity.
Question to op: are you referring to a straight limp in with aces or if a raise is in front of you?
Question to op: are you referring to a straight limp in with aces or if a raise is in front of you?
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WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
i dont think i would ever just limp with aces when first to enter a pot, it allows to many hands in cheaply... i would probably raise with them when out of position, say in the sb.
however if you are a good player and have a good read of the players at your table then calling a preflop raise with ace while is position has merit. i would generally use this against players that know me quite well it adds a layer of deception to your game. generally i would say come in for a raise, you want to make the raise size the same as you would if you were 3bet bluffing them, a min raise may look suspicious if you have been raising 3x the initial raiser
however if you are a good player and have a good read of the players at your table then calling a preflop raise with ace while is position has merit. i would generally use this against players that know me quite well it adds a layer of deception to your game. generally i would say come in for a raise, you want to make the raise size the same as you would if you were 3bet bluffing them, a min raise may look suspicious if you have been raising 3x the initial raiser
shootwillus
Enthusiast
Silver Level
As hard as it is, if you limp AA, you need to be prepared to muck it if you get into a multi-way pot. I don't limp AA often, but, if i believe someone is going to raise behind me and I can re-raise them, then I'll limp.
I would probably smooth call with aces if the original raiser is very tight and no one else is likely to be in the pot. I think if you re-raise a really tight player, you may get a fold (depends on your table image). Chances are they have something like KQ, JJ, QQ, maybe AK....if they hit top pair on the flop, you will make a lot more, if they don't hit you'll get the same fold anyway.
Really, for me, aces are a great weapon used for one-on-one. So, basically, the strategy, in my perspective is this: Given the the dynamics of the table and your image, whatever you feel is the correct move to isolate a another player pre-flop (and get stacks in ASAP), well, that is the correct move.
I would probably smooth call with aces if the original raiser is very tight and no one else is likely to be in the pot. I think if you re-raise a really tight player, you may get a fold (depends on your table image). Chances are they have something like KQ, JJ, QQ, maybe AK....if they hit top pair on the flop, you will make a lot more, if they don't hit you'll get the same fold anyway.
Really, for me, aces are a great weapon used for one-on-one. So, basically, the strategy, in my perspective is this: Given the the dynamics of the table and your image, whatever you feel is the correct move to isolate a another player pre-flop (and get stacks in ASAP), well, that is the correct move.
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testreet
Enthusiast
Silver Level
When someone behinds you raise and then another behinds you reraise that is your chance to push all in because that way the 1st person that raised might rethink calling that all in hand because they know that you will have a monster. You don't want to many hands involved when you are all in with pocket aces because thats just straight asking for trouble
rcrocketman
Rock Star
Silver Level
I disagree... 'it depends'.
First off.... I assumed you were referring to 'just calling a preflop raise... instead of putting in a raise w AA'. This is the question I was preparing to answer with some decent examples. But now I'm thinking you're referring to limping in preflop w AA instead of raising.
Please specify so I can adjust my answer accordingly.
incidentally..... late stages in the money in Fulltilt's $1K Monday this week, AJKHoosier1 chose to just 'flatcall' w AA to an EP raise (EP had A7s). He flopped Top Set (AAA), led out close to POT and was reraised ALLIN.. so in his case 'calling was perfect'. Hero had a stack size where he was hoping to get all of the money into the pot and probably figured he might not be able to do so by 3-betting (and because his stack size was an awkward size... ie. the 3-bet would obviously pot committ him anyways... so shoving would've been more likely/reasonable... hence the flat call & trying to trap villain on the flop).
Bad news was... villain rivered flush ftw, lol.