Should I have played this differently?

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There are currently 20 people left in the tournament. The average chip stacks are 80k. I'm currently holding 100k and on the button with AQ of spades. Someone 2 after the BB goes all in for 55k who's pretty loose, and someone 2 before me who has roughly the same stack as I, makes a call. So i just call and the flop comes 10(spade) 7(spade) 4(clubs). The other caller checks and I go all in and he folds. The loose guy ends up having tens, but i river a flush on him. The other caller says that I made a bad move because he was holding jack king of spades and I would have gotten all his money. Any suggestions??

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There are currently 20 people left in the tournament. The average chip stacks are 80k. I'm currently holding 100k and on the button with AQ of spades. Someone 2 after the BB goes all in for 55k who's pretty loose, and someone 2 before me who has roughly the same stack as I, makes a call. So i just call and the flop comes 10(spade) 7(spade) 4(clubs). The other caller checks and I go all in and he folds. The loose guy ends up having tens, but i river a flush on him. The other caller says that I made a bad move because he was holding jack king of spades and I would have gotten all his money. Any suggestions??

-thanks


You're in coin flip, or possibly dominated. If your question was, "All-in, folded to me... I have AQs. What do I do?" Now, that question is tougher, but w/ caller in front of you, muck in that spot.

Not the time to gamboool... but that's just me.
 
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You're in coin flip, or possibly dominated. If your question was, "All-in, folded to me... I have AQs. What do I do?" Now, that question is tougher, but w/ caller in front of you, muck in that spot.

Not the time to gamboool... but that's just me.


I was going to say the same thing. He didn't say what the blinds are, but unless the blinds are getting up there, calling over half your stack with AQ when one player shoves UTG+1 and another player calls that all in is a gamble that you don't want to take unless you have to.

But I think he was asking whether or not shoving the flop was a good move because the other player had two spades also and would have made a lower flush if he had checked it with him. If that's the question, then the answer is no, you made the right move. Why would you give him free cards on a flop like that so he can spike a pair? you already have half your stack invested and the pot is laying you better than 3 to 1 for the rest of your stack. With two overs and a flush draw on that flop, and having already committed that many chips...you have to go all in there.
 
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Yes I was referring to what I should have done on the flop. Thanks
 
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Yes I was referring to what I should have done on the flop. Thanks

Fold pre-flop, and you won't have to worry about marginal flops like this.
 
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I am curious as you why he should fold pre-flop here? Isn't AQ pretty strong? Please explain....
 
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I am curious as you why he should fold pre-flop here? Isn't AQ pretty strong? Please explain....


AQ is called a "trouble hand." That's because you could be in a lot of trouble against a hand like AK or KK. And in quite a few other situations too.

Most professional players will muck AQ in early position in cash games or in tourneys when the blinds are very small. There is no need to come in raising with that out of position and if you do, you can be called by AK, which, if an A flops, will leave you in a situation where you will likely loose a significant amount of chips.

In the situation described in this thread, you have one player raising in early position, suggesting that he has a powerful hand, and another player calling for a significant amount of chips. You can assume that both of these players have good hands. So, best case scenario, you are facing two pairs, JJ and QQ.....that's what you hope. But, if both these players are good players, one of them probably has you beat....one of them might have any of the four hands you dread, AA, KK, QQ, or AK.

AQ is good short handed or when the blinds/antes get high, or in very late position when there has been no action. But if there is action, or if the blinds are low, there is no reason to get involved with that hand.


Hope that explains it.

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AQ is called a "trouble hand." That's because you could be in a lot of trouble against a hand like AK or KK. And in quite a few other situations too.

Most professional players will muck AQ in early position in cash games or in tourneys when the blinds are very small. There is no need to come in raising with that out of position and if you do, you can be called by AK, which, if an A flops, will leave you in a situation where you will likely loose a significant amount of chips.

In the situation described in this thread, you have one player raising in early position, suggesting that he has a powerful hand, and another player calling for a significant amount of chips. You can assume that both of these players have good hands. So, best case scenario, you are facing two pairs, JJ and QQ.....that's what you hope. But, if both these players are good players, one of them probably has you beat....one of them might have any of the four hands you dread, AA, KK, QQ, or AK.

AQ is good short handed or when the blinds/antes get high, or in very late position when there has been no action. But if there is action, or if the blinds are low, there is no reason to get involved with that hand.


Hope that explains it.

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Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
 
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...so other guy folded 2nd nut flush draw w/ 2 overs and almost 5 to 1 pot odds and he told you that you made a bad play? WTF else are you going to do w/ 45k behind
 
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...so other guy folded 2nd nut flush draw w/ 2 overs and almost 5 to 1 pot odds and he told you that you made a bad play? WTF else are you going to do w/ 45k behind



nice :D

Didn't even think about what a horrible lay down the critic made. :rolleyes:
 
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lay it down as soon as MP calls. your not indestructable ;)
 
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I was going to say the same thing. He didn't say what the blinds are, but unless the blinds are getting up there, calling over half your stack with AQ when one player shoves UTG+1 and another player calls that all in is a gamble that you don't want to take unless you have to.

But I think he was asking whether or not shoving the flop was a good move because the other player had two spades also and would have made a lower flush if he had checked it with him. If that's the question, then the answer is no, you made the right move. Why would you give him free cards on a flop like that so he can spike a pair? you already have half your stack invested and the pot is laying you better than 3 to 1 for the rest of your stack. With two overs and a flush draw on that flop, and having already committed that many chips...you have to go all in there.

Right, I completley agree with all that. You're in pretty good shape at the moment and you're chances of beating TWO players aren't too great with AQ suited. If the first caller had elected to fold, then it would be a good move to call the all in but that's just my opinion.
 
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There are currently 20 people left in the tournament. The average chip stacks are 80k. I'm currently holding 100k and on the button with AQ of spades. Someone 2 after the BB goes all in for 55k who's pretty loose, and someone 2 before me who has roughly the same stack as I, makes a call. So i just call and the flop comes 10(spade) 7(spade) 4(clubs). The other caller checks and I go all in and he folds. The loose guy ends up having tens, but i river a flush on him. The other caller says that I made a bad move because he was holding jack king of spades and I would have gotten all his money. Any suggestions??

-thanks

20 left in the game with an all in and a call preflop AQ suited isn't to hard to laydown in this preflop situation because it is a trouble hand and you're too close to bigger money.

Obviously villian 2 with KJ has probably made a lot of bad calls like this one hoping to suck out, question is have you seen him do so? Still very funny to hear his coments. (man I wish he'd have called and got his flush for your sake!) I asume the loose villian have pocket tens which isn't to bad of a play if he has a very good chance of just taking down the pot uncontested otherwise he shouldn't have risked it all early, again it all comes down to how the people have been playing to this point to make that decision.

I'm no fan of raising all in while chasing a flush (against 1 all in and one caller this late in the game) esp. when it is going to risk my entire stack if I miss on the last two cards. You got very lucky this time but the odds of beating his set of Tens on the flop were against you bigtime.
 
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With 2 bettors ahead of me, and I'm in good shape stackwise, I would not have called. First in vigorish would make more sense to me, but with with 2 bettors ahead u could be way behind. Shortstacked would be a good call with a hand like AQ for me.
 
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