Should i have known?

im in LP and have A-10 diamonds, blinds are 25c-50c. pot had been raised already to $1.50, 1 caller with only $4 left, all other folds to me i raise to $3.00, he calls, short stack calls.

flop comes 2-3-10 rainbow (1 diamond)

he checks
short stack checks
i bet pot of $8
he waits for about 15 seconds, and shoves $40
short stack calls
i call.

He turns pocket jacks, short stack QA, and my pair of tens
i miss the turn and river and am beaten.

Should i have known that i was beat with my 10s? My logic had been that my one pair would be the lead due to no logical 2 pair, and for pocket 2s and 3s to not have been in his range to 3 bet call. and for pocket 10s to be a bit of a stretch for him to hold with the other two in play.

By the time i had called, i had put him on K10, Q10, J10 suiteds, as his most likely hands.

Should i have opened up my ignorance and just put him on a higher pocket and folded?
Also i should add that i had began to gain a rep of stealing average sized pots on likely missed flops.

when you lead into 2 players and a short stack, you are not bluffing. Why would you bluff when you are going to get called all in by the short stack right?

So when the reg shoves, he has a value hand for sure, he isnt rebluff stealing or anything here.

He can still have 22, 33 here i think although not as often. He can easily have overpairs as well. No reason to not put that in his range.

When he shoves the flop over your dbet and call all in from a shorty you have to consider you are beat. Do you think he is willing to go all in with JT? I think he has a value hand and for 100bb vs an early position open we are probably beat.

Why bet pot on the flop? Does the shorty have only $1 left on thef lop? Why didnt you put the short stack all in preflop by putting in one more dollar?

why did you 3bet(squeeze) with A10?

JOEBOB69 said:

why did you 3bet(squeeze) with A10?

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probably sound amateurish to say, but i felt comfortable in my position, and A10s is a decent hand, so i felt like i would try to see if he really was holding a monster. His initial 3x bet was very common on the table to represent anything from suited connectors to pocket AA, so with my 3 bet i was expecting a 4 bet or shove if he had KK or AA or possibly AKs, and in that case i would fold. But due to his call only i had then put his hand down on value from a high pocket or primo suited connector, to a average suited connector or middle sized pocket pair.

Pot was already raised in early postion or middle at least, therefore you should be folding A,10 UNLESS it's an aggro donk who is very capable of opening any picture cards or any Ace.

You 3betting was bad.

When you get check/raise shoved in the vast majority of cases this is an instant fold because he's very rarely doing this without an over pair or a set and c/r shoving 100 blinds deep is rarely a bluff. You making the call even with TPTK was very marginal to say the least and should of been folded.

I don't want this to sound rude or anything but this is what makes the game profitable for others like villian because people can't fold TP in this sort of situation given the action pre flop and post flop and these are the dangers in playing marginal hands with pre flop action. You have come to the right place though!

If you were going to squeeze with A10s, why did you only raise to $3? That's practically a min raise and should have been more if you were going to squeeze. Also on the flop you didn't need to bet so much. There should have been somewhere between 9-10.50 in the pot I think and a bet of 5.50-$6 would have worked just fine on that flop and saved you some money.

I'm not advocating the 3b pre, but if you're going to do it you should keep the things above in mind.

lukyl1 said:

Should i have just put him on a higher pocket and folded?.

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Yep. Facing a raise, he shoves. After tanking and acting weak.

Classic over pair/set move.


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lukyl1 said:

probably sound amateurish to say, but i felt comfortable in my position, and A10s is a decent hand, so i felt like i would try to see if he really was holding a monster. His initial 3x bet was very common on the table to represent anything from suited connectors to pocket AA, so with my 3 bet i was expecting a 4 bet or shove if he had KK or AA or possibly AKs, and in that case i would fold. But due to his call only i had then put his hand down on value from a high pocket or primo suited connector, to a average suited connector or middle sized pocket pair.

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Ok is this 6max,or FR?
Was the original raiser UTG ,UTG+1?
What are the original raisers stats, vp$ip/pfr fold to 3bet etc. ? That is how we can put him range.
If you think squeezing here is the right play due to the reads you have ,you should have raised enough to put the SS all in pre
When villain c/r shoves the flop in a 3bet pot a pair of 10's with ace kicker is no good almost all the time.unless you have very good notes on the villain that say other wise.