should I be wanting rakeback playing zoom/zone?

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As the title says Im starting to become a winning player at zoom at liking it but im wpndoring if I should be trying to get rake back
 
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Zone = Bovada don't have rakeback
Zoom = Pstars who also don't have rakeback but since your in texas you wouldn't be playing stars anyhow.

Also rakeback when its available is good no matter what you play obv, who wouldn't want 20% back on the 1$ fee they just paid to enter a tournament?

however a simple review of the Bovada website or google regarding rakeback bovada would have found the answer that you can't get it.
 
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Well what im wondoring is is rake back better than points since I use my points up np would I get more money for a tourney than points?

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Well what im wondoring is is rake back better than points since I use my points up np would I get more money for a tourney than points?

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http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/tiers/
Work out what VIP level you can reach with your current volume and stakes then don't buy any bonuses till you can access the bonuses at the highest VIP level you can reach as you can get a better return.
Stars has equivalent rakeback%s within that link.

If you've any aspirations to make supernova hold on to those points till you reach it. Personally I don't think Stars is a good place to play the micros, the rakeback return is just too low for goldstar and below when you can get good 60%rakeback deals at other sites.
 
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Nice view and im gonna stay at bovada due to the fact that its pretty much my home when it comes to online poker and they are the only ones that have zone for us but what im asking here is if im using the points for tiurneys would I be getting more mkney to use for tourneys or no?

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lol deco wrong thread
 
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Yes lol my br is not even $100 LOL

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Whoops dunno how I did that. Was meant to go in the Thai thread :eek:
That must have looked like the worst thread hi-jack ever :D
 
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Actually kind of understand the 2nd hand almost but kind of confused as to why you bluffed sb made it near as clear as possible hes not gonna go but then folds....very confusing

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Whoops dunno how I did that. Was meant to go in the Thai thread :eek:
That must have looked like the worst thread hi-jack ever :D


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Its all cool lol I just got confused to the maxiumum when people start postung pictures of the city and apartments Im like oh thats cool I guess LOL

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Sorry about the bump, but my question is somewhat related. I joined Bovada last month so I'm still working on some points for my welcome bonus. Ya'll know the drill, play raked hands and each rake counts towards points blah blah. I was playing some zone today at the .10/.25 so realizing the points will accumulate slowly and the way the game goes seems like few hands make it past the flop so not much rake there but it still seemed small. Does anyone know if you get points for hands you're not in? There's no way to know how much rake gets taken since you are off to another table but it seemed like the points went up slower than they would have had I just been at a full table. Not really a big deal, but just made me wonder.
 
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Sorry about the bump, but my question is somewhat related. I joined Bovada last month so I'm still working on some points for my welcome bonus. Ya'll know the drill, play raked hands and each rake counts towards points blah blah. I was playing some zone today at the .10/.25 so realizing the points will accumulate slowly and the way the game goes seems like few hands make it past the flop so not much rake there but it still seemed small. Does anyone know if you get points for hands you're not in? There's no way to know how much rake gets taken since you are off to another table but it seemed like the points went up slower than they would have had I just been at a full table. Not really a big deal, but just made me wonder.

What your asking is if they use 'dealt' or 'contributed' rake. Pretty sure Bovada is contributed, there's not many sites that still do dealt rake now as they make more money raking fish less and all but the laggiest regs more.
 
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Makes sense. So even if I was the tightest of all players, if have to have something in the pot to get credit? Is their formula proportionate? Like if I fold bb to a raked pot id get less points than the raisers/callers who each have 10 bbs in? Sounds like the formula may get a bit complicated to worry about either way.
 
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Makes sense. So even if I was the tightest of all players, if have to have something in the pot to get credit? Is their formula proportionate? Like if I fold bb to a raked pot id get less points than the raisers/callers who each have 10 bbs in? Sounds like the formula may get a bit complicated to worry about either way.

I think the way they do it is merely dividing up the VPPs or whatever the Bovada alternative is between every player who put money in to the pot regardless of the size of their contribution. Forgotten when I learnt this so I could be wrong.
 
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Great. Now I'm going to see myself close to a payout milestone and just start calling crappy hands for the blind and hope it gets raked... lol.
 
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I know Stars and FTP do it proportionately based on money put in. Bovada not sure but I looked up this page here and it sounds like your points earned are directly correlated to the the rake you yourself have contributed.
 
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this page here and it sounds like your points earned are directly correlated to the the rake you yourself have contributed.

Defo contributed rake also confirms it isn't proportional to what you put in to the pot.

No poker site would attempt to do a system where rakeback is proportional to rake paid as winning players would receive more rakeback (win pots, pay rake). It's in a sites best interest to do the opposite to this.

A poker site having a system where you pay rake equivalent to your contribution to the pot I suspect doesn't exist but would be pretty easy to program in. Really not sure what affect this would have on the games. It would punish postflop nits, which would probably favour whales + good regs and hurt bad regs + mild fish.
 
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Defo contributed rake also confirms it isn't proportional to what you put in to the pot.

No poker site would attempt to do a system where rakeback is proportional to rake paid as winning players would receive more rakeback (win pots, pay rake). It's in a sites best interest to do the opposite to this.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, Full Tilt's FTP system does exactly this. From their website:

"Ring Games: Full Tilt Points are awarded to each player based on the amount of rake taken from each hand and each player’s proportional contribution to the rake. Only players who put money into a raked pot will receive Full Tilt Points.

For each dollar raked from the pot in a real-money ring game, 10 Full Tilt Points will be awarded. These points are divided amongst the players at the table, based on their proportional contribution to the rake."


This does not mean winning players receive more rb since it's proportional to the money you've contributed to the pot regardless of whether you or anyone else ends up winning it.
 
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Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, Full Tilt's FTP system does exactly this. From their website:

"Ring Games: Full Tilt Points are awarded to each player based on the amount of rake taken from each hand and each player’s proportional contribution to the rake. Only players who put money into a raked pot will receive Full Tilt Points.


Your describing the 2nd of the two rake structures I described (not the one quoted). Raking based on rake actually paid would be the scenario which would provide winning players with greater rakeback (you only pay rake when you win, you "contribute" towards the rake win or lose).

I didn't know any site did this proportional contributed rake. Dunno why most sites aren't using this.
 
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What im asking is are you going to be getting more money to play tourneys getting rake back or points so I know which one I should try to fet...

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rakeback is always a good thing. imagine if they have 4 .10/.25 zones going at bovada and you were getting even minimal rakeback... if you could just run slightly +ev the rakeback would be a huge boost. I personally hate bovada's point system, I usually just use the points in 550 increments to get tourney tickets. Also, the 5k freeroll is incredibly soft, I've made a few deep runs in that. I remember when I first started on bovada my first huge BR boost was going super deep in the freeroll when it was still 7.5k. So my suggestion would be to use the points on the freeroll qualifiers (sit n go) for 150 or accumulate the 2.20 tickets and play the 27 man 2.20's that pays TEN PLACES. if your BR is small, that is the ABSOLUTE best thing you can do. It is super easy to cash in the 27 man 2.20 and it is low variance. if your patient and accumulating points at zoom, go for that man.
 
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also, with under a $100.00 bankroll you should only be playing the 1.10 and 2.20 sit n gos. the 1.10 45 man MTT Is a bargain for someone in your position. if your playing zone stick to the .2/.05 5nl game, it is incredibly beatable, if your keep reading cardschat forums you should be able to buy into that game and habitually stack people.
My other suggestion for the .02/.05 is that people actually play to tight and to passive, so if you play very aggressively in position (3bet with marginal hands) you can get people off standard raises. The assumption is that if it is folded to you in the cutoff or button, you are obligated to raise in zone, but to us sharks this practice is easily recognizable. The standard raise in bovada .02/.05 is .17-.22 cents, if your in the SB or BB go ahead and make it .61 cents and see how often you get called - you won't. if you do get called just c-bet 75% and they'll still fold. otherwise just play you position and constantly C-bet, you'll run +ev doing this even if your playing rags. When you actually do pick up monsters at that level, try to play them quickly - once the later streets are reached any action your getting is potentially dangerous. strong hands become marginalized quickly in low limit zone on the turn and river.

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Ive noticed that as well people are calling and folding 50 50 to any bet and if they are calling big bet on river theyve got atleast two pair but atleast set sound more reasonable

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