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Just wondering can we count almost 90% of people playing below 100bb as fish or weak players?
 
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Better to base notes on actual reads rather than assumptions imo.
 
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but yeah, we can assume anyone without a full buy in is bad
 
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But thats a bit subjective isnt it.

x player with 90% buy in might be "bad" relative to a good reg. But if hero isnt as good as hero thinks he is then x might be better than hero.
 
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Me personally could careless what players buy-in for, a short stack is just taking decisions out of his game.
 
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Im just thinking anyone who isnt buying in for full amount usually hasnt studied the game enough to view 100bb as a must have to gain the most profit.
So if they do not have knowledge of this more often then not they will be making mistakes in game??
 
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And yes this is speaking fairly broad and subjective.
Just want some opinions.
 
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But thats a bit subjective isnt it.

x player with 90% buy in might be "bad" relative to a good reg. But if hero isnt as good as hero thinks he is then x might be better than hero.

this aimed at me?

anyone with a semi-decent knowledge of cash games wants to sit with 100bb.

fish sit in for less and regs have enough buyins in their bankroll to cover the cost and rebuys/add ons.. so normally with a quick overview of the table anyone with less than 100bb is a fish or a bad reg.
 
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this aimed at me?

anyone with a semi-decent knowledge of cash games wants to sit with 100bb.

fish sit in for less and regs have enough buyins in their bankroll to cover the cost and rebuys/add ons.. so normally with a quick overview of the table anyone with less than 100bb is a fish or a bad reg.

Agreee^^^
 
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Since I hardly find anyone at 4NL with a net profit, it's safe to assume that 100bb players isn't exactly great either.
 
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And yes this is speaking fairly broad and subjective.
Just want some opinions.

I buy in regularly for under 100BB online, and certainly hope you feel as though I am a "bad" player.

I do it because of the way it forces bad decisions/folds pre from certain types of opponents I like to 3 bet mercilessly. Basically it helps me deny them odds to flat in a lot of spots....so they end up folding or shoving which makes my decisions a lot easier.
 
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I buy in regularly for under 100BB online, and certainly hope you feel as though I am a "bad" player.

I do it because of the way it forces bad decisions/folds pre from certain types of opponents I like to 3 bet mercilessly. Basically it helps me deny them odds to flat in a lot of spots....so they end up folding or shoving which makes my decisions a lot easier.

Do you have rebuy on? I have noticed players that prefer to sit with shortstacks and have auto-rebuy on. I tend to count these guys as Regs and hate playing against them.
 
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Im not saying as soon as I see a short stack I count them as fish though I do note that they are probably not the strongest players.
And though you seem happy with your tactic im sure you have lost a lot of value from pots from not having certain players covered at your table???
 
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Im sure I read a thread on some site about a very good player who was trying a shortstacking approach. I cant remember for sure but Im dont think he was as profitable as he normally was. Dunno about hand sample tho.
 
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I wouldn't say they are always a bad player, like a few people have said it narrows your options and reduces exposure but at the same time it also limits your profit.
 
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There's a difference between someone who's sitting at a table with 34bbs cos he sat down with 100 initially and is playing till it's gone, and someone who is short stacking on purpose with a short stacking strategy in mind. Usually easy to tell the difference tbh. For one, the first guy might be only sitting on one table, whereas the shortstacker is most likely 8+ tabling. Also there will be obvious differences in the way they play, and the way their stack size never goes below a certain value.

If you're pretty sure you have an edge over everyone else at the table, then you usually want to have everyone covered.
 
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I buy in regularly for under 100BB online, and certainly hope you feel as though I am a "bad" player.

I do it because of the way it forces bad decisions/folds pre from certain types of opponents I like to 3 bet mercilessly. Basically it helps me deny them odds to flat in a lot of spots....so they end up folding or shoving which makes my decisions a lot easier.
this is pretty funny, for several reasons.

if you are not a regular shortstacker, you know you could achieve the same result by 3betting bigger with 100bb, for example? end result is absolutely the same in terms of odds; and then for the times they make the worse decision and shove into your AA, you have just lost value because you did not have the 100bb?

if you are a regular shortstacker, then the above still holds, but that means 2 things to me: 1) you dislike playing poker and prefer coin-flipping instead (even if it is not exactly a symmetrical coin) and 2) you try to make things simpler for yourself by increasing your variance, which means you get more bad beats and worse downswings. if that works for you, all the best. and in either case above, your "hope" would be justified on my part.
 
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this is pretty funny, for several reasons.

if you are not a regular shortstacker, you know you could achieve the same result by 3betting bigger with 100bb, for example? end result is absolutely the same in terms of odds; and then for the times they make the worse decision and shove into your AA, you have just lost value because you did not have the 100bb?

if you are a regular shortstacker, then the above still holds, but that means 2 things to me: 1) you dislike playing poker and prefer coin-flipping instead (even if it is not exactly a symmetrical coin) and 2) you try to make things simpler for yourself by increasing your variance, which means you get more bad beats and worse downswings. if that works for you, all the best. and in either case above, your "hope" would be justified on my part.

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In short most will 100% agree playing short stack is loosing value. So short stack players are mainly weaker less knowledgable players then regs with auto rebuy on???
Seems to me when we sit at a table full of short stacks it is full of fish....most of the time..
 
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In short most will 100% agree playing short stack is loosing value. So short stack players are mainly weaker less knowledgable players then regs with auto rebuy on???
Seems to me when we sit at a table full of short stacks it is full of fish....most of the time..

yupp, mostly (and deffo at the micros) short stackers are 90% noobs.

actually 100%, why the **** would you not want 100bb+ if you're one of the better players at the table?

yeah people (regs) play badly against it but most SS still play terribly postflop and try and run normal stats like 14/10/2 etc.

if you're a shortstacker you should be 3bet calling wider but SS dont do that often enough nowadays.. they just buy in for less and take up a good seat.

so to round up.. if you're a SS, **** you.
 
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I'm pretty sure I read an article that showed a significant correlation between stack size and penis size.
 
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Think people should leave short stacking to tournament poker if they want to make profit to be honest. If you are playing cash its simple, Play with 100bb.
 
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I'm pretty sure I read an article that showed a significant correlation between stack size and penis size.

That's why I buy-in for 250bb. The article did show a positive correlation...right?
 
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yeah, I heard bouncers have big dicks lol

helps in poker too.
 
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