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Yesterday i decided to short stack a 1/2 game. I had a pretty succesfull session so i decided to go back tonight. Right now my "bankroll" is at 400 dollars/10 buy ins. I know it is highly likely i will go busto but i thought in the mean time i might as well post some hands on here.
I just recently downloaded a live poker bankroll App.but it dirsnt seem very user friendly. Are there any bankroll Apps that yall would recommend?
 
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I dont know about a BR app but you are asking for trouble playing way over what your BR would allow you to.
 
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I dont know about a BR app but you are asking for trouble playing way over what your BR would allow you to.
Agreed. My original plan was to save up the whole 20 buy ins but for some reason i decided to take a shot short stacking and before you know it ive got ten shirt buys. So i feel like i might as well try to build my bankroll with what i have at the moment considering i am already in the process of saving up for a "real" bankroll. With a 40 dollar initial investment i think going busto wouldnt really get to me that much. Nice profile pic by the way.
 
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Maybe play a lot of small tournaments in order to build, and then start playing cash.
 
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Maybe play a lot of small tournaments in order to build, and then start playing cash.
Lol i was thinking of doing the opposite actually. At the place i play at they have a 30+10 dollar tourney everyday but i just think the game is a little too swingy for me right now. Il definetely start playing them when i have an appropriate bankroll. They really are just ridiculously soft
 
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Oh, and most of the people who sit with $50 just suck and they do it all wrong IMO.

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When i see a $50 stack at the table i just know its going to disappear quick!

I think part of it is understanding where your edge comes from. When youre shortstacking like that, youre depending on the cards more and less on skill. Your edge only comes from your opponents being bad. While deepstacked, you can generate additional edge by being skillful... that neing said, if your a losing player, your negative edge is reduced by playing short stacked.

If your bankroll building midstacked might be a better option. But youd need to save a little bit more.


A better option in my opinion would be starting online while you save your money for a real live bankroll.
Youll learn far more, far faster and while loosing the least (youll lose more bb/100 hands, but each bb is 100 times smaller) in the past year ive gained as much experience (as many hands) online as a decade of playing live poker, and the cost of learning has only been about 2k compared a similar learning experience live which would cost more.
 
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A better option in my opinion would be starting online while you save your money for a real live bankroll.
Youll learn far more, far faster and while loosing the least (youll lose more bb/100 hands, but each bb is 100 times smaller) in the past year ive gained as much experience (as many hands) online as a decade of playing live poker, and the cost of learning has only been about 2k compared a similar learning experience live which would cost more.

That was my exact plan originally. The 40 dollars i bought in with was supposed to be my 2nl bankroll but i ran it up to 400 pretty fast. And now im wondering should i just go for it?
 
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mbrenneman0;4022507 If your bankroll building midstacked might be a better option. But youd need to save a little bit more. [/QUOTE said:
What stack size would you recommend buying in for with a 400 dollar bankroll?
 
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What stack size would you recommend buying in for with a 400 dollar bankroll?

i would recommend having a bigger bankroll. is saving up more money an option for you?
 
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i would recommend having a bigger bankroll. is saving up more money an option for you?
Yes im in the process of saving up right now but it will take me atleast 4 months to save up 4k.
 
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That was my exact plan originally. The 40 dollars i bought in with was supposed to be my 2nl bankroll but i ran it up to 400 pretty fast. And now im wondering should i just go for it?

id stick with the original plan of 2NL


... theres a saying ive heard (i think from "the mental game of poker" by jared tendler, but not sure) that the worst thing that can happen to a poker player is having early success in their career. thats not saying that winning is bad at all, obviously its good, but the problem is that players who experience early success end up severely over-estimating the sustainability of that success. it sounds like you've generally got a pretty level head but might just still be a little high on the win
 
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Yes im in the process of saving up right now but it will take me atleast 4 months to save up 4k.

nice, do that. play online in the mean time. dont expect to win online, although obviously its possible, there are players out there who can lose online at the lowest stakes and still make a decent profit live. think of your loses online as the cost of learning, but you have to make sure you get the most out of your experience by doing hand history reviews and such.

I dont think im particularly great or anything, but i think im pretty good, but I wouldnt be a fraction as good as I am if i only played live for the past year IMO. and for me, the cost of learning so far has been 2k, but it could have been a fraction of that if I would have learned proper bankroll and stick to the proper stakes early on... so for me, the cost of learning bankroll management has been much higher than the cost of learning actual strategy
 
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also, take my advice with a grain of salt, im no expert or anything and still in the process of learning myself
 
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With a 40 dollar initial investment i think going busto wouldnt really get to me that much

It depends on your goals.

I play live cash most weekends, and many players go back and forth between the poker room and the slots, blackjack, etc. Those players paid the cost of renovating my kitchen recently, god bless them.

If you are enjoying the thrill of gambling for entertainment, just have fun. Obviously don't gamble more then you can afford.

I've got a ten dollar bet on most sporting events I watch. I lose money doing this. I don't care. I can afford it, and it makes the game more interesting.

If you want to make poker a serious long-term hobby / second source of income, do what mbrenneman recommends.
 
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If you have a 400 $ br just go on with some tournaments or sit and go for a 1-4 dolar buy ins. If you play cash table of 1/2 thats like 200 BB its too little to play that stakes.
 
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So the past two days have been all right. I could have made a lot more if i hadnt been tilting. So i started a new strategy on monday were i bring 3 bullets one 40,80,and 200 dollar buy in.so after a while i build my 40 dollar stack up to around 200 around this time the two biggest fish at the table start talking about how tight ive been playing.kind of talking trash but in a lighthearted way you know? Any these guys have been raising 20 pre and min raising 40 EVERY hand for like 30 minutes staright. I look down at 72s and decide i will use my tight image to make them fold, show the bluff which would guarentee action the next time i have a premium.long story short i get it in on the river with a pair of 2's and fish #1 tanks for about 2 minutes asks me if i will show if he folds. I say yes and he snap calls with Q5o for a pair of 5s.i know playing with 72 is a terrible idea equity wise but have any of you ever showed a 72 bluff to encourage future action?
 
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After i lost the first bullet i bought in for 80 built it up to 200 fairly quickly and got dealt AKo in EP. Bet 15 got 3 callers. Flop comes q99r. It checks through.turn is a blank,i bet and get raised so i fold. At this point im pretty tilted. So i buy in for 200 on top of my stack and lose 50 more dollars immediately after. At this point i rack up and leave because i could tell my head just wasnt in it.
Last night was a diffrent story. I won about 200. Dont have any hands from last night to post but il definetely try to record some tonight.
 
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i know playing with 72 is a terrible idea equity wise but have any of you ever showed a 72 bluff to encourage future action?

No, because bluffing with 72 is a terrible idea, unless you are the button, everyone has folded to you, and two super-nits are in the blinds.
Or you are playing the 72 game.
Or you are on TV or a livestream.

I have a tight image, and have shown bluffs before to drum up business. But if there are competent players at the table you need to be fairly sure you are making it difficult for them to identify the times that you are bluffing.
 
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