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Needless to say I am talking about cash game HUD.

I am using 3 columns.

VPIP, PFR, 3 bet PF, fold to 3 bet PF after raise(2 bet)*
Cbet flop, Cbet turn*, Fold to Cbet flop, fold to Cbet turn*
Steal from BTN, steal from SB, fold to steal, 3 bet vs BTN open, total sample of hands.

*requires substantial sample before being relevant.

For micro stakes I was only using the first 2 columns but I added the 3rd column after playing low stakes as stealing becomes a very integral part of the game at that level. I was also previously using "fold to 4 bet after 3 bet" stat but I felt it really requires way too much of a sample to have any relevance. I thought it is more misleading than useful so I cut it off. Which crucial stat do you feel I am missing?
 
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I don't play cash games regulary ( I am a heads-up SNG player), but I could say what I think you miss:

I think went to showdown and won at showdown stats you should surely use, since they let you know how often does a player folds his pair(s)
Win rate stat - tells you how much player makes in the long run (you can see how really good he is)

Also maybe, postflop agression factor?
 
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I don't play cash games regulary ( I am a heads-up SNG player), but I could say what I think you miss:

I think went to showdown and won at showdown stats you should surely use, since they let you know how often does a player folds his pair(s)
Win rate stat - tells you how much player makes in the long run (you can see how really good he is)

Also maybe, postflop agression factor?

Would you suggest I cut off turn c bet stats? I really like to have as uncluttered a HUD as possible. Too many stats make it difficult to read.

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I like postflop aggression factor.

I like fold to turn bets and river bets as well :)

I guess if you got enough stats, you start just playing the stats and forget about your cards. And exploit your opponents a lot.
 
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Would you suggest I cut off turn c bet stats? I really like to have as uncluttered a HUD as possible. Too many stats make it difficult to read.

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Definitly keep those cbet stats (difference between cbetflop and cbet turn), I find them very usefull.

Yea, I know that too many stats make a bit of a mess and then you lose yourself trying to read them. But, try to upgrade your HUD over time with few new stats so you have enough time to adjust.

Also important - color stats! Take a grey color as a neutral - for something that in a ''normal zone'' and then use green,red or else for the numbers that are extremly high or low (and imply leaks in game) so that you can spot them right away. ;)
 
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I like postflop aggression factor.

I like fold to turn bets and river bets as well :)

I guess if you got enough stats, you start just playing the stats and forget about your cards. And exploit your opponents a lot.

I don't know much about this stat so I'll look into it.

River stats require an absurdly big sample to be of any relevance so for most of the players it would be pointless. Maybe eventually one can integrate river stats once you have huge samples on a lot of players.

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Definitly keep those cbet stats (difference between cbetflop and cbet turn), I find them very usefull.

Yea, I know that too many stats make a bit of a mess and then you lose yourself trying to read them. But, try to upgrade your HUD over time with few new stats so you have enough time to adjust.

Also important - color stats! Take a grey color as a neutral - for something that in a ''normal zone'' and then use green,red or else for the numbers that are extremly high or low (and imply leaks in game) so that you can spot them right away. ;)

Good point about the colors. Currently I use colors for sample size but not for the actual stat. I think using colors for every stat would become a mess but for some very crucial stats I'll look into it.

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I forgot to mention one stat that I have been using, "float" which I find quite useful.
 
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Postflop agression factor is a ratio of your opponents postflop calling or raising tendencies. Average number is 3 (ABC players)... so if someone with agression factor 5 raises you postflop you know he might have a draw playing it agressively or he could be bluffing.
But,when a guy with agression factor of 1 raises you postflop you know he's got it :)
 
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That is not necessarily correct, at least for full ring. Some very different play styles can produce numbers that are similar at first glance.
 
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Neither one stat can be defined 100% correctly, of course.
But, most of the time those numbers will mean that. Not always.
 
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Fyi, this is probably a good resource to work from:

http://acepokersolutions.com/Free_Poker_HUDs.php

It has color coded ranges, and a lot of info on how to use the data/ stats together. It's something I've personally used for many years. I've used or added certain stats depending on the site and stake level, but this is a great HUD for making quick reads on your opponents.
 
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Fyi, this is probably a good resource to work from:

http://acepokersolutions.com/Free_Poker_HUDs.php

It has color coded ranges, and a lot of info on how to use the data/ stats together. It's something I've personally used for many years. I've used or added certain stats depending on the site and stake level, but this is a great HUD for making quick reads on your opponents.
You don't find steal stats useful? I have 3 bet bluff many incessant SB stealers to the point where they just stop stealing my BB. I have also incorporated 4 bet bluffs from the button against really aggressive blinds although its certainly entering very complex parts of poker.

I have found that similar players approach stealing/re stealing situations so differently that steal stats are absolutely essential. There are very tight players who always steal from the SB and loose players who don't actually steal from the button as much as one would imagine.

In any 6 max game its really essential for me to have those stats and they are critical in tight FR games as well.



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The moment i saw this HUD configuration while watching a ROI instructor video i loved it, being using it since and decission making has never being easier, they way stats are organize and structure its just awesome (at least for me personally) ...

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I keep it simple:

Villain name / Total hands
VPIP / PFR / Steal / 3bet
AF / Cbet / FvCbet / WTSD%

I'll add Fold to steal in there as well, but not always. If I don't have it up, I'll just open up the expanded player view to note what the two guys to my left do versus steal.


@Latamgrinder - I like the concept of having all that info up, but how do you sift through all those numbers in a timely manner? I feel like I'd become completely reliant upon the numbers in my HUD to make decisions instead of thinking logically about the hand and using extra information from the HUD when necessary.
 
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I play zoom, so I collect large samples of players in very little time, soecially regulars who play at 4 tables. This is my hud, anything I should add?:
Name/hands
Vpip/pfr/3bet/4bet/fold to 3bet
Bb fold to steal/bb resteal/sb fold to steal/sb resteal
Sb steal/sb fold to resteal/btn steal/btn fold to resteal/co steal/co fold to resteal
Flop cb/flop fold to cbet/flop fold to cbet 3betted pot/flop bet-fold/flop raise cbet
Turn cbet/turn fold to cbet/turn raise cbet
Wwsf/wtsd%/won at showdown%
 
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My current HUD configuration since making the thread.

VPIP, PFR, 3 bet PF, Fold to 3 bet PF after raise(2 bet), BTN 3 bet PF

Cbet flop, Donk Flop, Probe total, Float total

Steal from BTN, Steal from SB, Fold vs BTN open, 3 bet vs BTN open, Total sample of hands.

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I keep it simple:

Villain name / Total hands
VPIP / PFR / Steal / 3bet
AF / Cbet / FvCbet / WTSD%

I'll add Fold to steal in there as well, but not always. If I don't have it up, I'll just open up the expanded player view to note what the two guys to my left do versus steal.


@Latamgrinder - I like the concept of having all that info up, but how do you sift through all those numbers in a timely manner? I feel like I'd become completely reliant upon the numbers in my HUD to make decisions instead of thinking logically about the hand and using extra information from the HUD when necessary.

Ya gotta keep a balance between simplicity and information on the HUD in my opinion. A ten line HUD just feels so bloated not to mention you cannot really multi table much. But I suppose if someone is playing only 1 table then a highly complex HUD is actually not a bad thing.

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That's a good point, I hadn't considered one or two tables. When we could still play on Tilt and Stars 12-18 was my sweet spot so I would've been way overwhelmed with that much info
 
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