re: Poker & Setmining vs a 3bet
Originally Posted by Cafeman31
What do you think? I guess the reason I've been thinking this a lot lately is because I'm running into a lot of light 3bets and folding my sPPs owing to the logic above. Am I doing the right thing or losing value?
Stop trying to call 3bets light.
OK there are 2 basic scenarios where by a vilian can widen his 3bet range.
A) He polarises his range.
B) He depolarises his range.
Not all that many people at micros bet a truely polarised range, often its a depolarised range with a few random bluffs thrown in (but they account for such a small ratio of the range that you can ignore them)
Against a polarised range, you would 4 bet hands like 44 annd flat hands like QQ because 44 gets tonnes of folds when he folds the junk portion of his polarised range, whereas QQ can be played postflop where he is likely to try and barbell you off your hand.
You wont be against a polarised range.
You will be against a depolarised range. which is PP lots of weaker BW cards, some high SCs and so on. Now against that range you cant call. You must 4bet or fold.
If he 3bets a depolarised range and you call light you do exactly what he wants. He is now value 3betting and you are calling with a range of weaker hands.
Reason #1 for betting is for value which means that weaker hands will call and you respond to this by calling with weaker hands?... that's your plan to stop him value betting???
Setmining in 3bet pots is usually very bad because the odds
you get are poor.
If someone 3bets a depolarised range then they will probably be very aggressive if they miss and you hold a small PP and dont have the betting lead so its very difficult to do anything postflop. By the same token often when they make a hand they slow down and the second you start being agressive they tighten up to nearly the nuts. So you need to hit a set to win. But when you hit a set you rarely get the money in.
Set mnining with bare minimum odds assumes you will stack off every time you hit a set and you will win everytime you stack off.
That simply isnt true, sometimes you will hit a set he will hold QQ on an A62 board and he wont stack. Other times he will stack off on that board and show a set of aces or AK and runer a flush / straight. So you need better odds than bear minimum to account for that.
At micros your decision facing a 3bet should be to 4bet or fold and flat with only a super narrow range.
Just think value betting. If he is 3betting light and his 3 bet range isnt really Junk but things like QJ and KT you cant respond by calling lighter because now you are letting him value bet you.