Set Mining in all positions ? (Zoom 6-max)

Hello.. So i started to play zoom. i have played only 30K hands yet at micro stakes , mainly 2nl. I filtered some pocket pairs and want to ask you a question.. At first i explain some things :

My Preflop range for open raise with pocket pairs is (otherwise i fold) :

UTG and MP : 66+ (i am a bit scared to raise from UTG and MP w/ 55+)
CO to SB : 22+

Calling range of pocket pairs when UTG open raises , regardless of stats of Villain :

MP : 66+
CO to SB : 22+

Calling range of PP' when MP , CO , BTN and SB open raises : 22+ , obviously.

This is info which is the most important , no need to tell re-raising range preflop when someone acts and etc.

NOW , i filtered , that 1788 pocket pairs were dealt to me , from these PP's i folded :

on flop 83 PP's with net won -8,08$
on turn 43 PP's with net won -4,4$
on river 24 PP's with net won -7,26$

BUT , from those 1788 PP's were dealt to me , my overall net won is +133,94$ , which is +0,074$ profit per one pocket pair .

So my question is , if my preflop limp range was :

UTG : 22 to 55
MP : 22 to 55

would i be more profitable? I have read some threads about PP's that in zoom almost always when i limp with them , someone behind will raise with X+1bb for limper.. Is there any chance if i included this limping range ,would my winnings increase together with set mining?

I expect some constructive comments , thank you

Almost all High stakes TAG's recommend not to play 22-66 from UTG or UTG+1.
If i remember correctly they say that 22-66 has no showdown value or sumfin like that.

This isn't high stakes, it's micro. I think all pocket pairs are profitable at micro from every single position. I never fold to an open, only to 3 bets.

I usually 3 bet with pocket pairs when in position against opener as well, but not at NL2 (because they call). At NL10 and NL25 people fold very often to 3 bets, and since I play zoom, pocket pairs constantly 3 betting them give me nice profit preflop. If I do get called, I'm usually ahead anyway since I start with a pair.

As long as you can give up on the flop if you don't hit then yes PP's are profitable, however if you can't give up and start floating the flop and stuff like this then you will lose more, however I think limping isn't more profitable than raising or calling small raises

Play pockets of at least 10-10, i know a lot of players will disagree with that, but in the long run, you should improve considerably. And throw those dreaded j-j hands as soon as you see them, lol, they seem to be the most missed p-p's that exist. Not only by myself, but i watch other players not hit a set time after time.Yea, i know some are going to say b-s, but i won't change my mind on that one. The zone format is why i suggest playing pockets of at least 10-10 or better. Since i am FAR from being a pro, take my advice with a grain of salt lol. Good Luck in those.

From 1800 PPs you have only folded 170 on flop/turn/river?
So did you got the pot of at lest go to showdown 90% of times?

I dont get that, did you hit the flop so many times? Or are other players so tight to fold preflop, or just call and dont agrop postflop?

bjj_mat said:

This isn't high stakes, it's micro. I think all pocket pairs are profitable at micro from every single position. I never fold to an open, only to 3 bets.

I usually 3 bet with pocket pairs when in position against opener as well, but not at NL2 (because they call). At NL10 and NL25 people fold very often to 3 bets, and since I play zoom, pocket pairs constantly 3 betting them give me nice profit preflop. If I do get called, I'm usually ahead anyway since I start with a pair.

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You said not 2nl cause they call???... The whole point about 3betting with PP is for value never forget that... And we always want someone to call! so when we do hit our card we can aim to gii on the flop or later streets.

Reason why limping pp would be bad I believe would be everyone else will be limping with theirs... Increasing the risk of coolers which are inevitable, but I believe this could minimize them by not limping in PP.

If you can see the flop cheap enough they are worth the play from any position IMO. But if you miss toss it unless it gets checked down to the turn of course

Even big pairs can be junk after the flop. No one holding KK to a 3 bet pot pre-flop that comes A10Q suited or 2/3 to a flush is going to feel like they are in control anymore than a pair of dueces to a 10-8-J flop all mixed would.

I think there is not problem with that range of PP. In micro the guys play anything all the ****ing time. Some minuts ago i finished a tournament with a preflop allin. I had AA against 6-10-off. He did two pairs, we were in the bubble. That kind of things discourage a lot, i miss to play chess... :'(