Set on the flop how to play?

simple example 4nl

pocket 10s on the button.
raise 2.5bb and get one caller.

flop is 2h 7s 10c
he bets out 16 cent
do we flat here or raise. and if we raise by how much?
I raised and got him to insta-fold but i only got 16 cent extra out of him,
if i flat and let a free card come im letting him have a chance at making a better hand, but if i raise i risk making him fold and throwing away a potential second barrel on the turn.

thoughts?

Always raise a donk bet. He can easily have 89s for OESD and you don't want him to draw cheaply.

Depends. What type of player is he?

In this spot without any information I flat call. Your set of T's are likely so far ahead of every hand he has that you want him to improve. So I flat flop, and try to get enough money in on the turn that the river is an easy shove. If he bets turn small, raise, if he bets turn large (70%+) then call. If he checks then bet 80% of the pot. Never fold no matter what cards run out.


Edit - Ignore LD's advice to always raise a donk bet. There are times when it is absolutely pointless. Now there is merit in raising here and if the board was 2h 7h Tc then I would be raising, however with only straight draws to beat you I prefer a flat. He also most likely has a sizing tell, by betting 16 into what I'm assuming is a pot of about 20 (?) he likely has a value hand (you will find donk bets with draws are going to be sized weaker). Our hand is the nuts so we might as well let him commit as much chips as possible before shoving.

LD1977 said:

Always raise a donk bet. He can easily have 89s for OESD and you don't want him to draw cheaply.

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ScottishMatt said:

Depends. What type of player is he?

In this spot without any information I flat call. Your set of T's are likely so far ahead of every hand he has that you want him to improve. So I flat flop, and try to get enough money in on the turn that the river is an easy shove. If he bets turn small, raise, if he bets turn large (70%+) then call. If he checks then bet 80% of the pot. Never fold no matter what cards run out.

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well these posts help me make the right play , lol

which is it?

Flatting is the right play (without further information). You have the absolute best hand possible and on this board it isn't very susceptible to being drawn out on.

Always think before you act. Why are you raising with the nuts here? There is only one ten left in the deck so he most likely has a hand weaker than TP (barring JJ) and by raising you force him to fold. So flat call and string him along. Get him to put all the chips in when he feels he can have the best hand.

Like seriously, if he can donk 89 here for large sizing then he can do the same with AJ along with plenty of other trash. No need to fold out those hands, just call, let them hit TP and then valutown them.

ScottishMatt said:

Flatting is the right play (without further information). You have the absolute best hand possible and on this board it isn't very susceptible to being drawn out on.

Always think before you act. Why are you raising with the nuts here? There is only one ten left in the deck so he most likely has a hand weaker than TP (barring JJ) and by raising you force him to fold. So flat call and string him along. Get him to put all the chips in when he feels he can have the best hand.

Like seriously, if he can donk 89 here for large sizing then he can do the same with AJ along with plenty of other trash. No need to fold out those hands, just call, let them hit TP and then valutown them.

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I like your explanation
i didnt have any info on him as it was my first hand

In position, If they make a large bet, raise. Out of position check. If their raise is 50% pot like a cbet, dont bother raising, just call and hope they catch their cards. Also if theres an A or K on the board raise.

playtheman said:

well these posts help me make the right play , lol

which is it?

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LD has a bad habit of raising or betting big to protect himself out of variance-panic, and value cutting himself in the process.

I'll go with Matt's suggestion of flatting.

ScottishMatt said:

Flatting is the right play (without further information). You have the absolute best hand possible and on this board it isn't very susceptible to being drawn out on.

Always think before you act. Why are you raising with the nuts here? There is only one ten left in the deck so he most likely has a hand weaker than TP (barring JJ) and by raising you force him to fold. So flat call and string him along. Get him to put all the chips in when he feels he can have the best hand.

Like seriously, if he can donk 89 here for large sizing then he can do the same with AJ along with plenty of other trash. No need to fold out those hands, just call, let them hit TP and then valutown them.

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I second this-- since you dont have any info why let the cat out of the bag so early. string him along

You will receive different answers because it depends. on the player. I sometimes trying to build the pot here so I'm raising., other times (if he likes to bet) I call.

How much did u raised? Hope u didn't shoved on the flop

Aleksei said:

LD has a bad habit of raising or betting big to protect himself out of variance-panic, and value cutting himself in the process.

I'll go with Matt's suggestion of flatting.

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There is no such thing as protection when I am concerned. If there was I wouldn't get raped so often by random garbage which didn't have odds to keep calling.

Theoretically in some kind of mythical long term I should get it all back I suppose, or maybe my grandchildren.

Anyway, the guy bets under half pot and it obviously allows him to draw cheaply. How this is maximizing value from a top set is beyond me. What, we are gonna shove river like total fish?

Basically by not raising you are just begging for it.

BTW if he donks with total air then you are not getting much more money from him.

^Villain donked 2/3 pot.

I flat here.

No way I am folding out crappy draws, over pairs, over cards, etc.

If he gets there with 8-9 I can get away fairly cheap. He will light up like a Christmas tree.

Let him donk bet again, and again. We'll just drop the hammer on the turn or river.

Just my $0.02

2.5x OTB @4NL = 10c + one caller (which must be one of the blinds) = 24/22c

Where are you getting half pot from again?

I misread raise size and also didn't see it was 4NL and not 5NL (there is no 4NL on Full Tilt).

there's also no 2.5bb at 5NL

OK so then we minraise like fishes and he is priced in to call. Happy?

Aleksei said:

there's also no 2.5bb at 5NL

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there is at 2c/4c

ScottishMatt said:

2.5x OTB @4NL = 10c + one caller (which must be one of the blinds) = 24/22c

Where are you getting half pot from again?

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ok my bad, he bet 2/3 pot

That;s 4NL.

LD1977 said:

OK so then we minraise like fishes and he is priced in to call. Happy?

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i think he was betting hoping I missed. its common at 4nl

I know, but in that case he is gonna snapfold whenever you try to extract.

Therefore I like to raise the flop, since turn/river raises are much more scary. He is most likely to call the flop raise if he has any kind of equity.

LD1977 said:

I know, but in that case he is gonna snapfold whenever you try to extract.

Therefore I like to raise the flop, since turn/river raises are much more scary. He is most likely to call the flop raise if he has any kind of equity.

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whats your opinion on shoving ak on A 9 J rainbow

just got my stack halved by a guy shoving 10 8 and catching a 7 on the river

he shoved k 10 preflop so i wasnt too worried about trips.

ps got him to shove k 10 vs my kk lol

Shoving TPTK on the flop is a MSS thing or if you have a massive fish on the table (and you isoed him) who likes to call this with crap or if someone is tilting badly.

If he is such an idiot then yes you can call, your have equity edge there.

He shouldn't open shove against 1 opponent (but he can raise/chkraise your cbet to put pressure on you and maybe get a free card on the turn).

But I have to say that playing draws is tricky for me too and I am still looking for optimal line.

slowplay. if he starts waking up with huge bets on the turn when a j or 7 pops out, it is a super easy river fold if your fullhouse doesnt materialize. if then the board does pair up on the river taking his stack is cake.