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Legend
Silver Level
I've been noticing that even at the micros there's more and more checking the river. Which can be flat out checking, check raising, or a lot of check shoving.
I'm not sure I understand why, esp. at the micros. I know the check-raise on river is an advanced play that at higher stakes can really have an impact on a player you know is loose and will shove against your monster hand or is tight and will fold to it. But at the micros it's really irksome trying to figure out.
I get it when you're not sure where you're at so you check it down and sometimes get surprised with a nice small pot win with your Q5 off in BB that hit a 5 on the board.
But I don't get it's use at the micros in many other cases. Often I'll see my two pair or TPTK check raised on the river and the person has flopped a full house or flush. Why slow play that? Why not bet on the turn, get some value potential?
Or in the rare cases I'll have someone check shove on a dangerous board and I'll call with a decent hand and be surprised to see something like 10 4 off in their hand with no draws, no pairs, no nothing. An outright bluff. On a board with lots of possibilities for me.
What gets me is there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to these moves. I'll sometimes call and get a nice reward with my TPTK paying off against someone who check shoved me with a small pair. Other times I'll see it and know I'm beat and wonder why they didn't look for more value earlier. Or I'll call one of these baffling check raises on the river with a set only to see the person flopped a flush or full house or straight.
I get that if you have a monster you don't want to scare away money so you might slow it down. But then if you're last to act and check the monster on the river and the opponent also checks you lost a ton of value potential.
That's not to say I don't sometimes use a check raise or even a check shove on the river. But it's rare and it's generally against someone whose been calling me or betting me down to the river. And I'm certain they have a decent hand but I'm the favorite so I'll do it and get paid off.
Seems like people either check raise/shove the river and have a great hand that could have gotten lots more value, it's an outright bluff, or they can't let go of their paired up 5 9 off. Or they flat call you to the river with a hand they think is great, then check the river. Only to end up check shoving a win or winning on the check with lost value.
Thoughts?
I'm not sure I understand why, esp. at the micros. I know the check-raise on river is an advanced play that at higher stakes can really have an impact on a player you know is loose and will shove against your monster hand or is tight and will fold to it. But at the micros it's really irksome trying to figure out.
I get it when you're not sure where you're at so you check it down and sometimes get surprised with a nice small pot win with your Q5 off in BB that hit a 5 on the board.
But I don't get it's use at the micros in many other cases. Often I'll see my two pair or TPTK check raised on the river and the person has flopped a full house or flush. Why slow play that? Why not bet on the turn, get some value potential?
Or in the rare cases I'll have someone check shove on a dangerous board and I'll call with a decent hand and be surprised to see something like 10 4 off in their hand with no draws, no pairs, no nothing. An outright bluff. On a board with lots of possibilities for me.
What gets me is there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to these moves. I'll sometimes call and get a nice reward with my TPTK paying off against someone who check shoved me with a small pair. Other times I'll see it and know I'm beat and wonder why they didn't look for more value earlier. Or I'll call one of these baffling check raises on the river with a set only to see the person flopped a flush or full house or straight.
I get that if you have a monster you don't want to scare away money so you might slow it down. But then if you're last to act and check the monster on the river and the opponent also checks you lost a ton of value potential.
That's not to say I don't sometimes use a check raise or even a check shove on the river. But it's rare and it's generally against someone whose been calling me or betting me down to the river. And I'm certain they have a decent hand but I'm the favorite so I'll do it and get paid off.
Seems like people either check raise/shove the river and have a great hand that could have gotten lots more value, it's an outright bluff, or they can't let go of their paired up 5 9 off. Or they flat call you to the river with a hand they think is great, then check the river. Only to end up check shoving a win or winning on the check with lost value.
Thoughts?