Running it more than 1 time.

My friends and I have never done this before.

We always run it once, and thats it.

However, I realized that if I taught them about, it and we start running it multiple times, then maybe it will give me an advantage.

The reason is usually I am ahead when I get it all in, and if we run it 3 times, then I should win at least 2 times, and won't have to worry about crazy suckouts.

I also read that over a long period of time, the variance will even out, however it does help cut down the variance in the short term.

So how exactly does running it more than once work?

Who decides how many times to deal it?

If the players can't agree on a number, than is it just run 1 time?

Thanks

Yeah running it twice is a fad that some people like.

It's not difficult. Once two players are all in, you deal the remaining community cards more than once as long as those in the hand agree to it.

Yes, it cuts down on variance. That's not necessarily a good thing.. Variance is what makes poker interesting and unique. If you wanted, you could cut out variance completely by running it zero times. Whoever is ahead when the money goes in wins the pot... but that wouldn't be very fun now would it?

Akhanar said:

Yeah running it twice is a fad that some people like.

It's not difficult. Once two players are all in, you deal the remaining community cards more than once as long as those in the hand agree to it.

Yes, it cuts down on variance. That's not necessarily a good thing.. Variance is what makes poker interesting and unique. If you wanted, you could cut out variance completely by running it zero times. Whoever is ahead when the money goes in wins the pot... but that wouldn't be very fun now would it?

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Thanks.

I know how to do it.

I am wondering if the 2 people all-in have to agree on it?

Who chooses how many times to run it?

Yes, of course, they have to agree to it

You agree on how many times to run it. If you can't agree, then you both are banned from the game. Sorry, those are the rules.

(or you could just make up your own rules since it's YOUR home game)

lol good luck...I'm with Akhanar variance is what makes poker...well poker. I think you would be hard pressed to convince your friends this is a good idea at a home game. However if they do agree it would be great if you can introduce me to them I have some premium air I think they might be interested in.

Running it twice is a great idea imo. Just don't try to sell your friends on it because it'll lower the variance. It can however, make it more exciting and can even induce more all-in action before the river.

Its a common misconception for people to believe that running it more than once can give an advantage to the underdog or vice versa. All it does is lower the variance since the more times we run it, the closer we should expect our results to be to our EV.

Explain to them, if needed, that if you flip a coin once its 50/50 for heads and tails and if you flip it 10x you should still expect 50/50. The same works when you run a 70/30 all-in once or 100 times. The favorite is still expected to win 70% of the time.

I have heard that this feature may possibly come to Stars in the future.

(@ the 1st two posters)


So from what I can see, you guys like to run it only 1 time....interesting.

TheBowlBoy said:

Running it twice is a great idea imo. Just don't try to sell your friends on it because it'll lower the variance. It can however, make it more exciting and can even induce more all-in action before the river.

Its a common misconception for people to believe that running it more than once can give an advantage to the underdog or vice versa. All it does is lower the variance since the more times we run it, the closer we should expect our results to be to our EV.

Explain to them, if needed, that if you flip a coin once its 50/50 for heads and tails and if you flip it 10x you should still expect 50/50. The same works when you run a 70/30 all-in once or 100 times. The favorite is still expected to win 70% of the time.

I have heard that this feature may possibly come to Stars in the future.

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Ok thanks. This is what I was looking for. I will tell them it will just make the game more interesting.

I would never talk about variance or anything like that with these guys lol

JDAWG5 said:

So from what I can see, you guys like to run it only 1 time....interesting.

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The fact that you find that fairly uninteresting fact interesting is... interesting.

In high stakes poker, it makes some sense. The incredibly huge sums on the line give these players a very good reason to be interested in reducing variance. For your low stakes home game? I think it's just silly. But, like I said above, it's your game. You run it however you want to play it.

Akhanar said:

The fact that you find that fairly uninteresting fact interesting is... interesting.

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I'm not looking for a fight Akhanar.

I was just asking a simple question.

I am sorry if I angered you.

Akhanar said:

Yes, of course, they have to agree to it

You agree on how many times to run it. If you can't agree, then you both are banned from the game. Sorry, those are the rules.

(or you could just make up your own rules since it's YOUR home game)

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Just have the option out there to run it twice. If you don't both agree to run it twice, it's run once.

I was going to come in here and say it's completely EV neutral, apart from reducing variance, but thinking about it if a recreational player has a very weak draw like a gutshot it might encourage him to call an all in if you say you'll run it twice because in his eyes that means he's got twice the chance to hit...

Pascal-lf said:

Just have the option out there to run it twice. If you don't both agree to run it twice, it's run once.

I was going to come in here and say it's completely EV neutral, apart from reducing variance, but thinking about it if a recreational player has a very weak draw like a gutshot it might encourage him to call an all in if you say you'll run it twice because in his eyes that means he's got twice the chance to hit...

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This this this!

-Make it totally optional

-It can only encourage action, since its optional its not like somebody is gonna fold pre because they don't want to run it twice.

TheBowlBoy said:

This this this!

-Make it totally optional

-It can only encourage action, since its optional its not like somebody is gonna fold pre because they don't want to run it twice.

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Yea of course I'm going to make it optional.

Isn't it best to run it 3 times, if you are way ahead?

That way if they suckout, you still get 2/3 of the pot?

Doesn't matter in the long run, or in the short run as long as you can afford to reload

JDAWG5 said:

Yea of course I'm going to make it optional.

Isn't it best to run it 3 times, if you are way ahead?

That way if they suckout, you still get 2/3 of the pot?

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If its your goal to completely nullify variance then run it like 100x.

Okay, that is somewhat impractical so run it an amount of times that everybody is okay with. 3 is fine if everybody likes it but I've only really ever heard of run it twice.

To any haters of run it twice, sometimes it does really suck when you're playing a $10 sng at a home game and if you bust you're not getting back into the action until it ends and another begins in like 2 hours.

JDAWG5 said:

I'm not looking for a fight Akhanar.

I was just asking a simple question.

I am sorry if I angered you.

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LOL. You kids today are so sensitive. Not everything anyone says which disagrees with you is "looking for a fight." Perhaps you missed the part where I said (twice in two different posts) that you should play it the way you want to play it because it's your game. Doesn't matter to me (or anyone else) one way or the other.

Incidentally, you seem to not understand what makes poker so profitable for winning players. The reason bad players continue to play against good players is variance. If good players won all the time against bad players, bad players would stop playing. You actually don't want bad players to lose money every time they're behind.

Like I said before, if you want to completely reduce variance, then just get out a poker calculator and calculate each person's percentage chance of winning then just split the pot up accordingly. No need to to deal it at all.

TheBowlBoy said:

sometimes it does really suck when you're playing a $10 sng at a home game and if you bust you're not getting back into the action until it ends and another begins in like 2 hours.

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Yes, that would suck. That's why I have never understood people who play tournament poker at a home game.

Akhanar said:

Yes, that would suck. That's why I have never understood people who play tournament poker at a home game.

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I've tried to get my group to play cash and we used to all the time. Some guy rage dropped around $200 playing .25/.50 with a lol $20 buy in and then everybody felt bad for him. They all decided we played for the social aspect and not for the money. I've tried to encourage a .05/.10 game in that case and people could buy in for $2-$20 or whatever they wanted but they just find tournaments to be more exciting.

How would you guys split up a pot if one person got 2/3 and he other 1/3 and the chips could not be evenly divided by 3?

Does one person get more than the other?

Does the extra money just stay in the pot for the next hand?

Thanks

I was feeling helpful so I looked this up from the Robert's Rules of Poker which can be found here: http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm

5. If two or more hands tie, an odd chip will be awarded as follows:

(a) In a button game, the first hand clockwise from the button gets the odd chip.

(b) In a stud game, the odd chip will be given to the highest card by suit in all high games, and to the lowest card by suit in all low games. (When making this determination, all cards are used, not just the five cards that constitute the player's hand.)

(c) In high-low split games, the high hand receives the odd chip in a split between the high and the low hands. The odd chip between tied high hands is awarded as in a high game of that poker form, and the odd chip between tied low hands is awarded as in a low game of that poker form. If two players have identical hands, the pot will be split as evenly as possible.

(d) All side pots and the main pot will be split as separate pots, not mixed together.

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Running it twice is stupid in my opinion. Running it 3 times is the smarter option.

TheGenera1 said:

Running it twice is stupid in my opinion. Running it 3 times is the smarter option.

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I agree:congrats:

Played in home game last night.

1/2 of the group were for it, the other half were to dumb to understand it.

Also one player was getting ridiculous suck outs, so he felt no need to run it more than once.

The players who did like the new rule agreed to run it multiple times if they got into an all-in pot together, however it didn't happen last night.

Yep, that's pretty much the way it should be done. If the two players in the hand BOTH agree to run it more than once, they can. If any of them do NOT agree, it should be run once.

Congrats on the successful game. And yes, fish LOVE suckouts. They love the idea of getting it in bad and pulling out a win on the river against all odds. That's why they gamble. That's why casinos are full of people who KNOW the house has odds against them and still play. They will never want to get in a situation in which they pull off the miraculous suckout and then only get their money back because the OTHER river didn't hit. This doesn't mean they are too dumb to understand. It means it's not how they enjoy playing the game.

Akhanar said:

Yep, that's pretty much the way it should be done. If the two players in the hand BOTH agree to run it more than once, they can. If any of them do NOT agree, it should be run once.

Congrats on the successful game. And yes, fish LOVE suckouts. They love the idea of getting it in bad and pulling out a win on the river against all odds. That's why they gamble. That's why casinos are full of people who KNOW the house has odds against them and still play. They will never want to get in a situation in which they pull off the miraculous suckout and then only get their money back because the OTHER river didn't hit. This doesn't mean they are too dumb to understand. It means it's not how they enjoy playing the game.

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Great points.

However the bold isn't true for a few kids at our home game haha.

A classic situation was where one guy went all in pre with KK.

Another player called with Q9 soooted.

1 club on flop, then runner-runner clubs.

So the player with the Q9 never wants to run things more than once, which is fine because he will lose $ in the long run.

I just felt so bad for the player with KK.