Rodney's 10NL

Okay I'll admit it, I'm doing this thread out of sheer frustration at 10NL after manging to pull in 1bb/100 after 60k hands. I'm posting this thread mainly for analysis of river calls as I believe that's my worst enemy according to Leakbuster (Rated F)

Almost all of my other stats are B and above, 85% A+.

So therefore, I'll be posting as many questionable river calls I made. I got a gut feeling 90% of them would be shot down here but I need some shooting i suppose if I am donking my good winrate away just coz i can't fold to a river raise right?

Watch this space.

Since I plan to move up to 10NL in 2 weeks, I intend to watch this better to learn on your skin than my own

Line check please

Bad flop raise right? Against an agro fish it's probably best to just call down if I really think he's full of it isn't it? But that bet is so small x_x, see it is these in between wishy washy things that get me
River given pot odds and oppnent's retarded range, i had to call right?

Btw, I understand these ought to be standard, So don't hit me...too hard..please?

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 583
Hero (BTN): $10.40 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 55945
SB: $23.76 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: 3.6, Hands: 38
BB: $10.57 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 79
UTG: $10.05 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 0.0, Hands: 134

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.95, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.40) 3 K 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.20, SB calls $1.70

Turn: ($6.80) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.80) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

Why are you raising flop?

ScottishMatt said:

Why are you raising flop?

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At that time I figured calling is meh d/t his sizing, i just treated as if he checked to me so I 'bet'. Thing is I still don't know what to do in these kind of awkward spots

I check back that flop all day vs a fish when I have QQ. You can still get value but I feel calling his range is weighted towards Kx dipshit hands that he is never folding.

ScottishMatt said:

I check back that flop all day vs a fish when I have QQ. You can still get value but I feel calling his range is weighted towards Kx dipshit hands that he is never folding.

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I guess call flop and pot control then....now that I think about it that makes way more sense lol and obvious.

This was me more than a month ago though so

I have no problem valuebetting the shit out of a fish when we have an underpair, but the board has to be wet if I'm going to do that.

Your flop raise just looks like you are valuebetting to GII, I don't see the point when villain will never fold K6+ which makes up a lot of his continuation range vs a raise. Granted he can donk/call with 99 as well here but there are a whole lot more Kx combos.

RodneyC86 said:

Bad flop raise right? Against an agro fish it's probably best to just call down if I really think he's full of it isn't it?

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Yes, probably best to just call.

EDIT: ignore my stat misread brain fart

After I romped and stomped for 6 BIs yesterday, got nipped out of two buy-ins today! Money lost in river calls made up more than half the loss here!

Line check please?
Reads on villain: Gets really excited with monsters, seen him overshove preflop and flop a lot against standard/tagfish opponents (like me lol)

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2260412
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $10.32 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 24, 3B: 18, AF: 4.8, Hands: 211
BTN: $22.67 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 79
SB: $8.47 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 0.0, Hands: 60
BB: $5.41 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 1.2, Hands: 409
UTG: $12.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 12, AF: 6.0, Hands: 59
Hero (MP): $10.27 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, Hands: 58974

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A :diamond: Q :spade:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.35) Q :heart: 2 :club: 4 :club: (2 players)
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.95) 8 :spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.95) 8 :heart: (2 players)
BB bets $3.11, Hero calls $3.11


I called thinking he might be trying to bluff me off AK, didn't think he'd slowplay Kings here (not his habit it seemed at that time) though arguably the board was dry? Call or fold? Folding seems overnitty here.

Perfectly fine. I probs play it the same way.

Bet turn for this one to extract value from over pairs right?

Notes: This guy is not positionally aware and almost never folds to 3bets (13%), just by this I should be thinking he only plays super ABC that doesnt even know position? In the hypothetical situation if he raises my turn bet(if i did) it's baluga theorem time isn't it?
Guess I'm asking this is because one would think he cannot strictly be calling 3bets to set mine or trapping only.



Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2260414
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $12.26 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 450
Hero (BTN): $10.45 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, Hands: 58974
SB: $9.60 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 29, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 35
BB: $20.75 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 274
UTG: $11.42 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 91

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K :heart: K :spade:
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 5 :club: 6 :diamond: 8 :club: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.90, CO calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.75) 4 :spade: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.75) 2 :club: (2 players)
CO bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

RodneyC86 said:

Line check please

Bad flop raise right? Against an agro fish it's probably best to just call down if I really think he's full of it isn't it? But that bet is so small x_x, see it is these in between wishy washy things that get me
River given pot odds and oppnent's retarded range, i had to call right?

Btw, I understand these ought to be standard, So don't hit me...too hard..please?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 583
Hero (BTN): $10.40 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 55945
SB: $23.76 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: 3.6, Hands: 38
BB: $10.57 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 79
UTG: $10.05 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 0.0, Hands: 134

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q

Q

1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.95, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.40) 3

K

6

(2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.20, SB calls $1.70

Turn: ($6.80) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.80) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

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Results:
dude showed a T9o, go figure

KK hand. Bet flop much larger, we don't have to balance at all vs a nitfish, turn is pretty bad for us so I don't mind a check. River is a fold though, he is too nitty to bluff and too dumb to thin valuebet even 2P here so he has a set+ all the time he fires river,most likely a straight or flush though IMO.

Just think about it this way, you have a nit betting into you on a 4 to a straight, 3 to a flush board and all you have is one pair.


Results for other hand. LoL. I still think flat flop, check turn. He is still going to bluff like the moron aggrotard he is but you risk less by flatting.

ScottishMatt said:

Just think about it this way, you have a nit betting into you on a 4 to a straight, 3 to a flush board and all you have is one pair.

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uRGH, yeah man, wth I was blind.

QQ don't raise flop cause you take all his bluffs out and leave only his value hands that beat you.

KK - way bigger OTF. Bet turn 60%. Shove the river. Could be getting value from TT+

Classic example of table dynamics at play. This really should have been an easy fold when a reg raises and pretty much commit himself against a fish. Man, I was blinded again, guess i still have ways to go with discipline...


[/I][/I] Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2262798
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $12.02 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 79
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 2.6, Hands: 249070
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 218
UTG: $11.11 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 1.8, Hands: 116
MP: $18.68 - VPIP: 98, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 83
CO: $31.98 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 3.0, Hands: 274

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 7 7
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.70) 5 6 4 (4 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.30, CO raises to $1.40, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3.40, MP folds, CO raises to $31.58, Hero calls $6.20 all in

Turn: ($21.20) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($21.20) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

After the reraise, it clearly looks like your dead to your straight outs. I wouldn't be repopping here, I would be finding a fold.

jsh169 said:

After the reraise, it clearly looks like your dead to your straight outs. I wouldn't be repopping here, I would be finding a fold.

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You were correct, dude woke up with set of 6.

What did go through my mind was that even if he had a set, i figued the fish will shove all in with whatever crap he's holding. And with still 10 outs against a made set (any 4,7 or 8), i thought i was too committed to fold,alas fish grew a brain at wrong time.

RodneyC86 said:

You were correct, dude woke up with set of 6.

What did go through my mind was that even if he had a set, i figued the fish will shove all in with whatever crap he's holding. And with still 10 outs against a made set (any 3,7 or 8), i thought i was too committed to fold,alas fish grew a brain at wrong time.

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Yeah, but your equity is even lower because his set still got 7 outs on flop to make a boat or quads, 10 outs on turn (more if count times board pair on turn-river) so never really in good shape there.
Also, never too commited if can save 62bbs

/Logan/ said:

Yeah, but your equity is even lower because his set still got 7 outs on flop to make a boat or quads, 10 outs on turn (more if count times board pair on turn-river) so never really in good shape there.
Also, never too commited if can save 62bbs

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True but then I think....his outs and my outs are mutually exclusive so it can't be all bad right?
According to HEM, my equity was 32% against his sixes.... Which is unfortunately not good enough even if the fish would GII here with nearly any junk.

So yeah, F me right?

flop fold he has Kx

RodneyC86 said:

Line check please

Bad flop raise right? Against an agro fish it's probably best to just call down if I really think he's full of it isn't it? But that bet is so small x_x, see it is these in between wishy washy things that get me
River given pot odds and oppnent's retarded range, i had to call right?

Btw, I understand these ought to be standard, So don't hit me...too hard..please?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.4, Hands: 583
Hero (BTN): $10.40 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 55945
SB: $23.76 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 21, 3B: 14, AF: 3.6, Hands: 38
BB: $10.57 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 79
UTG: $10.05 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 0.0, Hands: 134

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q

Q

1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.95, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.40) 3

K

6

(2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.20, SB calls $1.70

Turn: ($6.80) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.80) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

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fold preflop



quote=RodneyC86;2136290]After I romped and stomped for 6 BIs yesterday, got nipped out of two buy-ins today! Money lost in river calls made up more than half the loss here!

Line check please?
Reads on villain: Gets really excited with monsters, seen him overshove preflop and flop a lot against standard/tagfish opponents (like me lol)

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2260412
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $10.32 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 24, 3B: 18, AF: 4.8, Hands: 211
BTN: $22.67 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 79
SB: $8.47 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 0.0, Hands: 60
BB: $5.41 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 1.2, Hands: 409
UTG: $12.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 12, AF: 6.0, Hands: 59
Hero (MP): $10.27 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, Hands: 58974

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A ♦ Q ♠
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.35) Q ♥ 2 ♣ 4 ♣ (2 players)
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.95) 8 ♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.95) 8 ♥ (2 players)
BB bets $3.11, Hero calls $3.11


I called thinking he might be trying to bluff me off AK, didn't think he'd slowplay Kings here (not his habit it seemed at that time) though arguably the board was dry? Call or fold? Folding seems overnitty here.[/quote]

nuts30 said:

flop fold he has Kx

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Fold flop??? are you mad? As someone already mentioned, at least a call. these small bets mean a lot of things sure including Kx but the times when he don't more than makes up given the pot odds.

Urgh this one's a toughie. I can't put him on anything here other than he may have binked a fullhouse with his 88 when he was valuebetting the turn thin
Over pairs would probably bet the turn larger? Good fold? I'm sticking to the basic microstake tenet that river raises are almost never ever beatable by a one pair type hand.

I basically realize raising the turn is a bad idea though. If I had put him on a middling pair or a weaker T, why am I raising him out?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2276412
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $4.84 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 1.0, Hands: 76
Hero (CO): $11.03 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 63423
BTN: $11.03 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 21, 3B: 6, AF: 2.8, Hands: 86
SB: $14.75 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 12, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 25
BB: $10.33 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 5.0, Hands: 78
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 21, 3B: 6, AF: 2.8, Hands: 369

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T :club: K :club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.35) 3 :heart: 7 :club: 3 :diamond: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.35) T :spade: (3 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN folds, BB calls $0.80

River: ($3.55) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB raises to $5.40, Hero folds