River shove goes horribly wrong!

akaRobbo

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Pretty crazy hand I got myself into.


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($17.05)
BB ($11.02)
UTG ($5.15)
MP ($10)
Button ($14.58)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10
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, 9
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2 folds, Button raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 2
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, A
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, 9
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.30) 8
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($3.30) 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.40, Hero raises to $15.45 (All-In), Button calls $10.58 (All-In)

Total pot: $29.26 | Rake: $1.32

Results below:
Button had 9
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, A
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(two pair, Aces and nines).
Hero had 10
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, 9
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(one pair, nines).
Outcome: Button won $27.94

Villain stats: 18/16/3

Got quite a few hands with this guy, id never do this against weak players or someone I didnt have many hands with. He knows im loose but I rarely shove like this without the nuts so figured I could get him to fold, he's not the type to call off lightly.

Just sick that he has top two here, when I have a 9 blocker. No way he's calling with 1 pair or even weaker 2 pairs, confident that he wouldn't especially considering our stack sizes. I put him on a weak ace, possibly AT or AJ. Would expect at least 3x pre with AK and AQ, ive seen him 2.5x BTN now and again though. Bet sizing doesnt make sense for a busted flush, still possible and still something I can beat, and I can fold out suited aces here.

Im aware it can look like im fishing for a heart flush, but like i said, his bet sizing on the flop and turn make no sense for me to chase. I usually raise on FD too. A shove seemed to be able to fold out so many hands though. I know im not representing anything obvious, but the amount that the shove is, surely he's not calling off that with anything less than top two? 45 got there and I can easily have a set with just calling the 2x pre.

Feel free to give your thoughts, call me an idiot etc :D, just wanted to share a different type of hand to the usual. I dont regret this play at all. Ill take these beats over suckouts anyday.
 
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Aces2w1n

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Glad I'm not the only one with bad failed shoves :) ... top pair weak kicker trying to shove against a chipleader with a better kicker.



Well all I can add to your hand is that at 5 and 10nl I've noticed ppl just think 2 pair is the nuts. So this is a massive leak for majority of players at these levels... So learn from it and shove when u have trips or better especially in the same spot you just did! :)
 
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Your line looks like total bullshit, you need be to mega sure he has a HUD and sees you as tight nitty guy to pull it off.
 
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Turn is a clear fold especially after his bet size.

If you have a set he would expect you raise before river considering FD. Also if he see you do this only once even if was not vs him could have a note on you.



 
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Your line looks like total bullshit, you need be to mega sure he has a HUD and sees you as tight nitty guy to pull it off.

The line may look bullshit, but how is he calling that shove with Ace rag. Obviously wouldn't have done it if I knew he had top two, but I had a blocker so the chances he has A9 is reduced a lot.
 
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Turn is a clear fold especially after his bet size.

If you have a set he would expect you raise before river considering FD. Also if he see you do this only once even if was not vs him could have a note on you.




Flop and turn bets look like protection for ace rag against a flush draw to me, giving me poor odds to call. Why fire 80% and 77% when you know you're ahead?
 
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interesting hand, but i think the river shove was still a bit much. I know you wanted a fold, but he is betting the whole way, at this level its usually a hand they wont fold :/

check/Call or fold river honestly...

Ive seen worse shoves tho so I wont chastise you on the play, i just think it was bad reguardless. Plus, a lot of players treat 2 pair like a set. So yea, anyways gl next time tho :D
 
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Flop and turn bets look like protection for ace rag against a flush draw to me, giving me poor odds to call. Why fire 80% and 77% when you know you're ahead?
Because you want to extract the most value from your 2pair+ hands and at the same time cut the odds for draw chasers?? he could bet same amounts to protect against a FD having AX or having a set, or try to get value from AX.

And if they see you calling two streets with 2nd pair too often, then for sure can try to get max value everytime hit 2pair+
 
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interesting hand, but i think the river shove was still a bit much. I know you wanted a fold, but he is betting the whole way, at this level its usually a hand they wont fold :/

check/Call or fold river honestly...

Ive seen worse shoves tho so I wont chastise you on the play, i just think it was bad reguardless. Plus, a lot of players treat 2 pair like a set. So yea, anyways gl next time tho :D

I'm never calling, he had an ace for sure, I thought I could push him off a weak ace.

You think he even calls without top two? A2 for example? He's not a crazy guy and is very tight. This was a lot to do with the villain, as previously said I'm not doing this often :)
 
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He knows your loose so he thought his two pair is still ahead.

He even thought you dont have the set.

Last, he knows youre bluffing on the river.
 
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Very easy call for villain. You played it like a draw calling two streets and jamming. The eight and three on turn and river are the biggest duds that are never helping you. I would call with Ax here.
 
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Have you looked at all the assumptions you've made about what he knows, how he thinks and how (much) he'll change his play? And realistically, how likely is it that all these assumptions are correct?

Plus how consistent are your assumptions? For instance, you say he knows you're loose, then later question why his flop and turn bets are so large. How about at least partly because if he knows you're loose, he's likely to think he can extract more value?
 
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