re: Poker & RING: Why do people NOT like short stackers?
Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse
Nonsense. It's not a problem of skill. Most deepstack players are a lot more skilled than the scumbags who shortstack.
The problem is that it's impossible to play perfect mixed stack game. If you're deep and play against a mix of deep and short stacks, you will either have to make -EV plays against the deep stacks to avoid being exploited by the shorties, or vice versa.
Example: a deep stack opens in MP. You're on the button with a suited connectors. It's a clear call. But if there are good shortstackers in the blinds, it might be better to fold because they can squeeze profitably with such a wide range.
The reverse is true too. There are cases where it would be +EV to iso-raise a shorty or call his 3bet but you have to fold because there's another deep stack behind you and you can't risk committing a large part of your stack while he's still in the hand.
Advantages and edges. Poker has them in all cases.
Originally Posted by Stu_Ungar
Because people choose to play with deep stacks because they enjoy the deep stacked game.
When you enter a pot with a SS or a SS enters with you, the game switches from deep stack to SS.
Its annoying simply because I don't want to play SS, if I wanted to play a SS game... I would have bought in as a SS.
A game/table structure is set by the house. If you don't want to be on a table with shorties, don't buy into a table where THEY can.
Originally Posted by Egon Towst
Seems a tad emotional, m8. Are you having a bad day ? Not like you to tilt, surely ?
No, I've seen these comments regularly by Belgo. His opinion never changes. I don't play nlhe ring at any stakes, so it doesn't affect me 'personally' one way or the other. But calling any player who buys into a table according to the rules and requirements "a scumbag" is not right.
Just like any cash player who makes bad bets and calls, they have paid to be there. If it changes the nature, texture, advantages or edges in any manner, that's part of the game. Doesn't make the player a 'scumbag', imo. He's paid his buy-in and is entitled to play any way he sees fit until he has neither a chair or chips.
If it weren't part of the game of poker, sites and pokerrooms would make all their cash tables 100BB ONLY buy-ins. Then it might be a level playing field. This is the same reason sites limit the max buy-ins so one whale cannot come in with $100,000 and bully a $100 buy-in table.
Many players may not enjoy shortstackers for various reasons, but there are a lot of CC members here who might play that way and they are in no way 'scumbags', imo. (but that's just me )