This is a discussion on Regs Open Limping in 9 Max within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I'm noticing a lot of players limping a really tight range where I'm playing NL20 and some of them are pretty competent postflop players who |
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Regs Open Limping in 9 Max
I'm noticing a lot of players limping a really tight range where I'm playing NL20 and some of them are pretty competent postflop players who will fold a straight when they need to.
Is this a live poker kind of thing? It confuses me because these players aren't fish.
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Are there a lot of other players at these tables - whom you do not rate as experienced regulars? If there are several fish at the table, then this strategy makes sense - they watch the flop cheaply, and then make decisions postflop.
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Well, they do that, because of you
This limp from UTG is more suitable for live poker, because the people don't like to fold. If you play vs many players with your strong hands, this is a loss of value. You can use 5 blinds for open raise. But if there are also happy 3betors behind you, they will exploit you very easily. And this is the adaptation. Limp...With any hand. Even with AA. And you can play wide range (for UTg). With limp-fold, limp-call, limp-raise. And you can use this strategy online, if the table is similar to the "live situation". But do not use balanced range for limp in late positions. Only capped range.
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re: Poker & Regs Open Limping in 9 Max
![]() Seems they are limping pocket pairs and broadways
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Tables with lots of limpers are generally tables with bad players. However tables with bad players attract good players so you get good players on these tables too. The problem with limping is you can get raised. But on weak table you can limp without being raised. Sometimes that's to your advantage. Other times it's to your advantage just raise like normally would.
Small pairs and suited connectors play best in limped multiway flops because you get the implied odds you need for those hands. But hands that usually win with top pair or overpair, like big pairs and broadways are very dangerous in multiway flops. In a 4 way pot aces have a 65% chance and AK only has 40% chance. So you want to iso raise with them. In late position facing limps in front of me with a small pair or suited connector I will limp myself and hope the blinds don't raise. With a bigger pair or broadway hand I raise to punish the limpers. I add 1BB to my standard raise size (usually 2.5-3.5 BB depending on where I am playing) for each limper because I want to try to get all but one of the limpers to fold. Without a limp in front of me I raise to steal. When in middle position I'm worried about getting raised by someone ahead of me so I'm more cautious about limping. In early positions I rarely if ever limp except on very passive tables.
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If there are lots of fish at the table who call down lightly, you can profitably limp 50% of hands and see a flop. You can value town them with hands as weak as middle pair etc. The more pots you play with the fish, the more +EV it is. See flop cheaply to exploit fish and stop regs 3betting you light. If you open to standard amount, the regs will exploint you and you'll have to fold to their 3bets. By limping, you ensure you see a flop even if a reg squeezes.
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I don't like it when someone limps, it can be very confusing. I rarely limp, raise or throw.
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The universe of poker players is a bit more complex than just "fish" or "pro", and propably we should be happy for that. The important is to find out, what each opponent is doing wrong, and how we can exploit them. In the case of the tight limpers, probably iso-raise them less liberal than we would a true fish and use some degree of pot control postflop.
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re: Poker & Regs Open Limping in 9 Max
Yes, we can exploit the fish by ISO raising very large, and then take them to value town when they call down.
We can also make a small profit on the regs who limp/call when we ISO. The thing to remember is that the REG is also making profit when they limp/call as long as they do so with the expectation that the fish/whale is coming along for the ride. The reg makes a mistake when they call the ISO raise, with intention of folding flop if they miss, when the fish has folded pre flop. If fish calls pre, then the limping reg/s have implied odds to call.
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Just for the record I think, open limping require not just fish at the table to be justifiable but also a very passive table, where players dont iso-raise as much, as they should. So while I dont know this particular game or its dynamics, open limping in cash games is not something, I am planning to implement in my own strategy
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It's a strategy I use a lot if there are multiple whales. Im talking VPIPs of 50+. The trick is to open limp in EP and MP and open raise or call from LP. That way we get to see as many cheap flops as possible with really speculative hands and take fish to value town. The risk of raising from EP means the following happens. I'll give two scenarios.
My winrate at 10nl was 26.49bb/100 over 30k hands using this strategy and I played stats of 23/15. Big gap between VPIP and PFR. Scenario 1 10nl Fish UTG Limps: 10 cents Folds to another fish in MP who calls 10 cents. Hero in LJ calls 10 cents with K5s Folds to reg in Button. ISO raises to 60 cents UTG calls MP calls Hero calls Scenario two Fish UTG Limps: 10 cents Folds to another fish in MP who calls 10 cents. Hero in LJ RAISES to 50 cents with K5s Folds to reg in Button who 3bets to $1.50 UTG folds MP folds Hero folds Which scenario is preferable with speculative trash like K5s? We know we can play this hand profitably with position on the fish, so by limping we allow ourselves (and also the fish, this is very important) the preflop odds to call an isolation raise. In scenario two, we throw the money away and ourselves, along with the fish, are forced out of the pot.
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There is a big difference between open limping and limping behind. Limping behind is certainly a reasonable strategy in some situations. But I dont think, calling the 6BB raise with K5s is a profitable play. Even though there are fish in the hand, you are also playing against the reg, and he has position on you. I would not isolate with something this bad either, so I would just fold. I know, the games were very soft during the lockdowns, but this is no longer the case, and I think, you are taking the "get involved with bad players" idea a little to far with an example like this.
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The regs are weak, and non-thinking. They don't adjust their game according to the fish most of the time. They'll blindly raise hands like AQ and AK/AJ and just check fold the flop when they miss 70% of the time. You can easily outplay the reg. They give up on multi-way pots unimproved.
Open limping against multiple whales is ok too. The scenario plays out the same. Fish love to limp and won't raise your limps, and you can play against fish and non-thinking regs even when out of position. Top pair with K5s is good to take to the river against whales. Your EV goes up the more pots you play against whales. By limping certain hands, we ensure the pot stays small and allows us to see flops. This is +EV in my opinion. It's not important what state the games are in, I'm specifically talking about games WITH lots of whales in them. This is the game that the OP is specifically talking about. In games without lots of whales, this strategy is defintely not advisable. I think I've made this clear in my posts
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I think at the table where I was all the fish left and a bunch of regs limping remained (because the table had no fold equity).. not realizing all the fish left lol. At least so it seemed with the tight limping ranges. Or perhaps they were just cheaply colluding, just a paranoid sidethought lol.
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re: Poker & Regs Open Limping in 9 Max
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Just be sure you've got the villain tendancies correctly noted.
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Again, it really depends on the opponents. One of them might bluff heavily with nothing. The other might call down with nothing. You need to identify who is doing what and act accordingly.
I know it's hard to bet big with marginal hands against fish, because sometimes they will indeed have two pair or better. But you need to go again a range of hands. If, over a large sample, they are calling down with bottom pair and garbage draws, then it's +EV to bet into them for your entire stack. Same goes for maniacs who bluff all in with total air. Some guys will play 100% of hands and have an aggro of 25 or more, when the average TAG has an aggro of 3. These players will bluff with nothing, every single hand.
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I used to really like limping in especially when I liked my cards but I see the error of my ways now
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