Redline go down; Blue line go up!

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Open this up for discussion. Past 4-5 months my redline is super great; BUT, my blue line is terrible by comparison.

What I do realize is the need to be going to showdown w/ my made hands, and not simply pricing (creating bad odds for / or removing a villains percieved continuation equity) ppl out of calling or raising.

In addition to the above I know there is more to the story than just this one part, various lines, and especially bet sizing come to mind.

I'd appreciate feedback and will post some hands ITT, as well as pose questions about various spots, and how we proceed on certain flops, vs. villain types, as well as understanding continuation ranges, based on our bet sizing.

Below is a hand that I believe is a perfect example of where I percieve a particular villain would either call my re-raise or shove over, but did not. In hindsight would flatting have been the optimal play?


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
UTG: $5.71
Hero (CO): $4.94
BTN: $2.56
SB: $10.30
BB: $3.93 = 40/20/ AF-1 / cbet 100%

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q:club: Q:spade:
fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) J:club: 2:diamond: 2:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB raises to $0.54, Hero raises to $1.54, fold
Hero wins $1.28


I'm folding out Ax; and other air type hands, that MAY have decent equity on a later streets; when I re-raise; I should most likely let villain barrel off w/ air and based on turn then shove or re-raise?
 
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1 more hand, that i should have bet for value (or make it look thin); not stacks? :facepalm:

Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (UTG): $4.33
MP: $8.49
CO: $5.97 =19/15 reggish stats
BTN: $3.00
SB: $4.00
BB: $6.75
SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:
Hero raises to $0.14, fold, CO calls $0.14, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.34, 2 players) 3:club: K:heart: Q:diamond:
Hero bets $0.17, CO calls $0.17
Turn: ($0.68, 2 players) 9:spade:
Hero bets $0.68, CO calls $0.68
River: ($2.04, 2 players) 8:diamond:
Hero bets $2.04, fold
Hero wins $1.94
 
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umm.

Hand 1: he can stack off with a lot of pairs here, Jx and is probably check raising air a lot since he figures you can't have much on this board.

Hand 2: bet bigger on the flop if you're looking to get stacks in by the river, then you don't have to pot both streets and get value from Kx etc.

I think you're betting too small on the flop and trying to make up for it on the turn and river, making villains fold too much.

Funny how lots people's problem is the opposite.
 
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I concur: and Hand #2; when the pot is $0.34; a 2/3rds bet- maybe slightly less is fine? He's not folding TPGK+; like 2 pair hands come to mind as well as bottom or 3rd set.
 
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yawnnnnn redline blueline bla bla bla :D

Stop thinking it is a problem you guys... green line is all that matters, and also its just as likely tom that you're redline is high because you might be calling too much when you should just fold.

Them hands look fine, and i cant see them affecting your pretty coloured lines, i think i just get hand 1 in agaisnt a fish too, they rarely bluff and a Q,K or A could ruin your action when he does have a J and loses his stack.

Hand 2, seems standard, could bet a bit bigger on the flop i suppose but he probably was just gonna fold to any size bet on the river there apart from something real small but you make up for that for when he does call.

edit: i bet like 28c on the flop in hand 2, half pot is too small
 
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Just bet when you have a strong but vulnerable hand. If you bet small and the other guy make a str or flush and THEN you lose your whole stack, don't blame the other guy for being a fish.

Example of why not to slowplay: I had a hand where I was the aggressor with TJ preflop. BB calls me. Flop comes QdQc7h, he checks, I check. The turn's Ks. He bets out 1/2 the pot, I call. I make my str with a 9 on the river. He bets half the pot again. I raise to 3x his bet, then he shoves. He had QJ.

I bet he was looking to check/raise me on the flop and then he was hoping I had a K after the turn. I think the lack of a flush draw made him feel safe, but if he's value betting against a potential K, he should be betting bigger. And he should only call the river raise given my style of play. (Generally conservative, rarely bluffing)

I make it a practice in general to not slow play anything less than a full house. Of course, there are exceptions, such as against maniacs who read all checks and calls as weakness...
 
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yea i get what your saying and one thing, the most obvious thing is to see my WTSD stat go way down. a high or rather too high wtsd is calling too much, etc.

ya not talking at all about slowplaying tbf; more about specific villain types, actions, and board types; this is all important. Like 2 tone flops, or draw heavy turn cards. All these should effect our bet sizing and range eval. ; and it changes as well based on villain types. its not overly simple-nor overly complex its just something that should be worked out.
 
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