Reading Hand ranges. Cash vs MTT

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I have come to find out it is much easier to put an opponent on a hand mid/late in an MTT rather than a cash game. Based on thier position The Blind size and the chipstack. For the most part you can call a push with your big hands knowing the hand you have is higher than thier range. While in cash games you have to watch hand after hand. And actually have to see the showdown to see what they had in the hand to get any info at all. Are thier any tricks by Numbers ( PT3 ) Or any sugestions you have to dial up on a persons range with a small sampling of thier play?
 
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thats beacsue people arent going to play the 108 suited the 35 suited k10 q 10 all those kinda hands in a tourney specialy deep into it
 
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Huh im sorry I dont know what this has to do with the question lol.
 
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I think he meant, that it's usually easier to put people on hand ranges later in MTTs because people generally play a tighter range of hands and tournament play is a bit more predictable.

With cash games because you are so deep stacked, it's more difficult to put someone on a narrow range without having a fair bit of previous experience playing them.

I tend to look at the VPIP/PFR spread (obviously standard), 3bet ranges, flop/turn cbet numbers, etc to help me narrow it down. I have friends who also like to list players VPIP and RFI numbers based on position to help narrow the ranges.
 
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Thanks JMc Im new to To PT3 And And i play alot of 6 Max. So Unless they have an ultra high VPIP Thats the only way to tell they are loose right? Bc in 6 max you have to VP$IP at least 1/6 of the time. Is VPIP considered in the numbers with blinds included? If so all the players would be anywhere between th 14-18% by default right? And what is RFI. I also have alot of problems with the flop turn cbet ratio. Ill often give a player too much credit or too little based on those numbers. Especially on a small sample size. I suppose i should have at least played 50+ hands with the person for th e stats to be half way plausable? Thanks for your reply once agian sir.
 
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VPIP stands for Voluntarily Put $ Into the Pot, so it's not 14-18% by default.

If the pot is unraised and you're in the BB, your involvement isn't voluntary. Same goes for whenever you fold from the SB.

30-35+ is usually considered fairly loose. 40+ is very loose. 50+ hands gives you a basic idea.

RFI means raise first in, meaning the % of the time a player raises after the action is folded to them.

As a general rule, most players playing hold'em these days cBet too frequently, though very few fire 2 barrels. For me personally, I've always included fold to flop raise and fold to turn bet in my HUD to see how often my opponents give up after a single barrel. This stat takes a while to build up (a few hundred hands minimum) but can be quite telling and help you take down a lot more pots without showdown.
 
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