Razz: Coming in for a complete bet instead of just posting the bring-in
Okay, so this has been going through my mind a bit lately. Speaking in terms of a a full or near full table (6-8 players), would we ever be right to bring it in for a complete bet instead of just posting the bring-in?
Clearly if we are posting the BI to start with then we are know we have the worst door card on the table, but does that necessarily preclude us from a move?
I can think of a scenario where it would seem reasonable and have seen similar scenarios before as well. Imagine:
Seat 2: 2,100
Seat 3: 1,764
Seat 4: 1,059
Seat 5: 1,826
Seat 6: 2,000
Seat 7: 456
Seat 8: 1,090
- (1.00 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx 6♠
Seat 3: xx xx A♣___
Seat 4: xx xx 7♣___
Seat 5: xx xx 6♥
Seat 6: xx xx 2[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif]
Seat 7: xx xx 2♣
Seat 8: xx xx A♣
I think this is a good example (which I obv weighted in our favor for discussion) of a hand where we are the BI but can actually complete to start off. It also illustrates why knowing dead cards is so imperative. As shown, five of our "pair" cards are already out while only two of our outs are gone (and those are sixes opposed to fives, fours, or treys). A quick simulation
shows we are over 50% equity in this hand winning 50.7% of the trials.
But that's only one case and it's a bit extreme. Are there other more generic scenarios where we can complete our BI right off the bat? What kind of texture/scenario are we looking for? Or did I pretty much hit it with basically being that need to have a smooth 3-card 7 or 3-card 8 as well as hope to see many of our outs alive and pairs dead?
Other considerations I'm thinking about include tourney stage (early/mid/late), stack sizes, and ring game differences. But first is to tackle my primary question.