Range of hands villian shoves the turn with?

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RamdeeBen

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This hand was just weird. I didn't have much info on the villain, wasn't at the table long before this hand cropped up.


I'll let the action speak for itself, do we just snap call his turn shove and just be classed as unlucky when he turns over his jacks or is something weird going on here where we are crushed?

The way he limp/flat called then called the flop I was totally baffled unless this guy was playing a monster Kings/Aces..then wtf is this?

Is bet sizing ok pre/post flop?

Obviously it seems daft to fold even for the time or should we be folding for the times he's lucky enough to have the jack but what really is happening here considering my aggression pre and post flop surely he doesn't think i'm weak enough here to fold any over pairs?

I'm also interested, does anyone ever fold in this spot? Does someone holding a jack here just shove, or try keeping me in my betting 70% maybe on the turn.


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($0.78)
UTG ($2)
MP ($2.70)
CO ($4.14)
Button ($1.04)
Hero (SB) ($3.98)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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, Q
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1 fold, MP bets $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.28, 1 fold, MP calls $0.24, CO calls $0.24, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 8
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, J
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, 10
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.90) J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.83, ?
 
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What are you baffled about? JT8 2-tone is the wettest board possible, every range hits this flop. Given stack sizes just shove the turn, as played call. Given he is so short and an idiot he is shoving anything he got to the turn with, including 9x/FDs/Tx/8x/KQ/AK/AQ.
 
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Baffled by limp/call pre flop. Snap call flop, then shoving the turn..
 
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This hand was just weird. I didn't have much info on the villain, wasn't at the table long before this hand cropped up.


I'll let the action speak for itself, do we just snap call his turn shove and just be classed as unlucky when he turns over his jacks or is something weird going on here where we are crushed?

The way he limp/flat called then called the flop I was totally baffled unless this guy was playing a monster Kings/Aces..then wtf is this?

Is bet sizing ok pre/post flop?

Obviously it seems daft to fold even for the time or should we be folding for the times he's lucky enough to have the jack but what really is happening here considering my aggression pre and post flop surely he doesn't think i'm weak enough here to fold any over pairs?

I'm also interested, does anyone ever fold in this spot? Does someone holding a jack here just shove, or try keeping me in my betting 70% maybe on the turn.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($0.78)
UTG ($2)
MP ($2.70)
CO ($4.14)
Button ($1.04)
Hero (SB) ($3.98)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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, Q
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1 fold, MP bets $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.28, 1 fold, MP calls $0.24, CO calls $0.24, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 8
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, J
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, 10
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.90) J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.83, ?

It's 2nl. Call. I wouldn't be surprised to see AK or something here.
 
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Bet bigger on the flop. It seems to be a common trend among the micro players that they just bet half pot or something.

Whats your logic for half potting the flop?
 
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Bet bigger on the flop. It seems to be a common trend among the micro players that they just bet half pot or something.

Whats your logic for half potting the flop?

I bet 60%, not 50% but it's not a common trend at micros at all. Betting 50%-70% is the norm at any limit unless the flop really is unfavorable not just a micro player bet..I'm guessing you are in the other part of micro players trends which seem to be either donk min betting or over betting pot on the flop like 70c in to 20c pots etc.

Whats your logic in betting more on the flop if he folds out his drawing hands or essentially committing myself with pot odds on the turn/river by over betting the flop? This board is horrible so many draws out there. I don't want his drawing hands to fold, I want them to stay in but don't want to leave myself pot committed on the turn/river to bad cards even if I'm sure I'm beat, I'm going to have to just call anyway.
 
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He wont fold to a bigger bet thats the point. Also im happy to be pot committed vs a draw because im a favourite.

if you had a 9 here or a flush draw, would you fold to a half pot bet? 2/3 pot bet? pot bet? I highly doubt it. So why not make it as big as you can if they will call anyway.

If the turn is Ks you dont have to stack off. You can fold. Anyone who says you have to call if you are committed is wrong. Theres a time and place for that but if you are clearly and obviously beat, then fold.

Dont be a sheep of poker and do what other people do. Standard is not the best.

My bet size is based on a ton of factors. But usually my default is big for value and half pot as bluff. From there i deviate based on circumstances. Overbetting is a very very profitable play. If you dont over bet you are losing value. Theres always a time and place for it.
 
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If you're not planning to bet/fold the flop (I wouldn't) you should almost certainly be betting bigger (.80 min). The board is very wet and I can't think of a single hand that calls a 50c bet with that he folds to a 90c bet.
 
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