Originally Posted by Deceitful_Frank
Hello again friends!
I believe I have a leak! Not a huge one but enough for me to notice the difficult situations I have been finding myself in of late.
Suited "trouble" hands. Namely KJs KTs QJs and QTs. I raise them all from EP, UTG at a FR table (in the standard situation against the average 5NL idiots) and I am concerned they could be costing me more money than they need.
I think one of the more experienced guys on here picked up on this the other day when I posted some hands in analysis. Mentioning that these hands can be tricky to play when you are stuck OOP after the flop. Lol I do actually feel myself willing guys NOT to call behind me when I raise.
I figured that these hands, especially KJs and QJs were near-premium holdings lilke 99 or TT and that they were much more valuable than their unsuited versions (KJo and QJo are for LP without too many limpers and the other two are for blind stealing or maybe OTB with a limper only)
I guess the suitedness of KJs doesnt really make the hand any easier to play after the flop apart from the 1 in 9 times I make the four-flush. Even then I guess I just have a 50% chance of winning the hand (35% + the fold equity of my c-bet)
What do you guys think of these hands?
Should I shift them down my scale of value and raise them more from MP as I would AQ and KQ or is this suitedness valuable enough when I hit big for me not to worry?
I think you answered your own question. The problem with a hand like KJ, whether it is suited or not is this: If you open raise whatever hand calls you likely has you beat, furthermore you are OOP so even if you flop a strong draw you may not get paid off. Furthermore you could make a flush or straight and lose to a nut flush or a Broadway straight. If you try limping and an agressive player raises you are forced to throw away a BB or call a raise OOP which is usually a recipe for disaster.
In EP in FR NLHE I usually play AA KK QQ JJ AK AQs and that's it. KJs could possibly be a MP hand in a fairly passive table but I usually play this hand and all the hands you described KTs, QJs and QTs from late position only.
I do play KQs in Middle position if I am opening the pot and under the right circumstances will 3 bet this hand from LP or the button.
For what it's worth the largest single hand I ever won in a live game 1/2 NLHE was when I held ATs (Spades) and played HU in position against a player with KJs (Spades). He limped in, I raised and he was the only caller. The flop came down with 2 spades and the Ace of Clubs. He checked and I bet which he called and I think he put me on AKo and had flopped TPTK. The turn was a spade giving me the nut flush. He raised and I re-raised him all-in. As he called he asked if I had ATs and I said yes. He put me on my hand just a little late.
Don't play these hands OOP and fold to a 3 Bet under normal circumstances.