quiz: jj will you call all in here

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either you 3bet or you call 3bet
1 you call 3bet, flop 732, you cbet , villian all in.

You can list different type of villian for different situation, of cause not some manic.
 
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What's the stack sizes? Rainbow or suited flop? Pot size? How many players in the hand? So many things to consider..
 
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rainbow(you can also list suit one here), of cause full stack size, one opponent. you know just regular situation.
You can just write the common case.

What's the stack sizes? Rainbow or suited flop? Pot size? How many players in the hand? So many things to consider..
 
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all I've been told is theres 3 ways to play JJ, and they are all wrong
as is, on a 732flop rainbow or not,1 villian with no reads? and still little info on stacks,position...allin
 
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Though I am a little negative at this point, Thank you for you perspective.
Actually today I had a hand with T92, Villian 3bet pre. I bet the flop, He is all in.

He is a loose player though only with 30 hands. I called. This action is just a guess and gamble. I am right. He has A9. But he caught a ace on the river. I am broken after this hand.

I am not sure if I am right. But this is the only situation I'd like to call a all in.
In other case like really low board 732 I will not do that

all I've been told is theres 3 ways to play JJ, and they are all wrong
as is, on a 732flop rainbow or not,1 villian with no reads? and still little info on stacks,position...allin
 
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I can still ask more but I will just go by what I play which is 1/2nl. You say that I'm playing HU so average pre raise is about $12. So there's $24 in the po give or take a couple bucks. Opponent goes all in. $24 isn't worth it. Who knows what he has. He could be betting with air. He could be playing ATC and flopped 2 pair. He also could have a bigger PP. But, I think I would lay it down. Not much in the middle and not worth risking my stack.
 
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In this scenario, lets say it's 25nl 6max and we are 100-150BB deep:
-Good tight aggressive villain with highish fold to 3bet stat raises from CO
-Hero (with 5% 3bet stat) 3bets with JJ from SB or BB
-Everyone folds except villain who calls 3bet
-Hero c-bets 1/2 - 2/3 pot on 732 rainbow flop
-Villain shoves
...I would fold, they have a higher PP too often in this spot. Would probably call if I had QQ, definitely with KK or AA
 
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Thank you. That is what I would do. How about T93 rainbow 100bb.vs regular or loose player If they 3bet pre(a little high 7-8% 3bet) will you call



In this scenario, lets say it's 25nl 6max and we are 100-150BB deep:
-Good tight aggressive villain with highish fold to 3bet stat raises from CO
-Hero (with 5% 3bet stat) 3bets with JJ from SB or BB
-Everyone folds except villain who calls 3bet
-Hero c-bets 1/2 - 2/3 pot on 732 rainbow flop
-Villain shoves
...I would fold, they have a higher PP too often in this spot. Would probably call if I had QQ, definitely with KK or AA
 
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Thank you. That is what I would do. How about T93 rainbow 100bb.vs regular or loose player If they 3bet pre(a little high 7-8% 3bet) will you call

JJ is a tough hand when you get 3bet preflop because it feels too good to fold and not good enough to 4bet and get it all in if 5bet. Flatting is bad when 100BB because you are calling a 3bet to setmine without good enough implied odds. So I think you need to weigh up your 3betting villain and decide whether to 1) fold or 2) 4bet and be prepared to go all in.
 
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Though I am a little negative at this point, Thank you for you perspective.
Actually today I had a hand with T92, Villian 3bet pre. I bet the flop, He is all in.

He is a loose player though only with 30 hands. I called. This action is just a guess and gamble. I am right. He has A9. But he caught a ace on the river. I am broken after this hand.

I am not sure if I am right. But this is the only situation I'd like to call a all in.
In other case like really low board 732 I will not do that

4bet/call shove pre.
 
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What's the stack sizes? Rainbow or suited flop? Pot size? How many players in the hand? So many things to consider..
Definitely a lot more things to consider, as well as the opponents' tendencies (loose/aggressive etc). I actually lost a tournament today with JJ vs AA so I might be inclined to fold jacks
 
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I checked my jj hand history today in hud. I found it is really tough for me to win JJ. Actually I am very surprised to see me loose JJ. I play TT better than JJ. I think I am a little spew in this hand.

A little dissapointed that I did not get a lot help here.

Ironically I made the same mistake today. 268 flop I raised pre, bet and get all in by villian. I would fold 100% regularly. However he is 64/33. I try to gamble and call. Turns out he has set.

This is seriously my problem. Sometimes I can not make the right decision, even I have already post the answer here, haha.

If the board is T92 I can call. But 268 even vs a loose player I can not do that.
 
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A little dissapointed that I did not get a lot help here.
You only have yourself to blame. Your question basically amounts to "How do I play poker?". Answer: It depends.

Post specific hand histories. Give us stats/reads, stack sizes, blind sizes, and anything else we need to help you.

Asking how do I play xx is ****ing pointless and stupid.
 
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I know that is why I hope everyone can give some specific example.I'd like to make the thread as a list of example in all situation.If I just want to explain one example I will post it in "hand analysis"


Anyway I think I get somehelp here. Maybe I am too greedy.

You only have yourself to blame. Your question basically amounts to "How do I play poker?". Answer: It depends.

Post specific hand histories. Give us stats/reads, stack sizes, blind sizes, and anything else we need to help you.

Asking how do I play xx is ****ing pointless and stupid.
 
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I know that is why I hope everyone can give some specific example.I'd like to make the thread as a list of example in all situation.If I just want to explain one example I will post it in "hand analysis"


Anyway I think I get somehelp here. Maybe I am too greedy.

Greedy, lazy and wanting it handed to you on a silver platter. Well I for one am not going to work harder at your game than you are willing to work yourself.

YOU supply the specifics - if we wanted to hypothesize and list all the possible variations of a hand then we would be writing books which we tell you to buy and give a link to Amazon.

If you want help and want to also dictate the terms in which that help comes then hire a coach - and even then you are going to have meet halfway.
 
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I really wish I could have that book if you know one is fit for the topic
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YOU supply the specifics - if we wanted to hypothesize and list all the possible variations of a hand then we would be writing books which we tell you to buy and give a link to Amazon.
 
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I really wish I could have that book if you know one is fit for the topic

The overall most recommended book (in this forum) to start with is [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Phil-Gordons-Little-Green-Book/dp/B0016HMC34/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338312373&sr=8-1"]Phil Gordon's Little Green Book [/ame]


If you are still focused on just pocket jacks -
Google Search
 
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Almost never getting all in with JJ unless stacks are small.
 
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Poker can be very frustrating at times and the desire to have straightforward answers is understandable. But, you are simply playing the wrong game if you are expecting black/white answers.

"It depends" sucks as an answer, but 99% of the time is true.

As important as anything else is table image. Both for you and the villains you are up against. And don't confuse YOUR vision of your image with that of the table. You may think of yourself as TAG (or LAG or whatever). Hell, you may even be most of the time. (I suspect not many people would proudly say "I'm a nit" or "I'm a calling station", etc) But how the table actually views you and evidence you have on the villains really alters how you respond to situations. (or should)

Back to your JJ hand...
I no longer can play online :( , so my answer is more live based. But, one of my biggest issues is losing too much when I have overpairs to the flop. I used to suck at those situations, but I"ve progressed to being bad at them! In a standard situation like one of the others posted above (JJ w the $25 pot going to the flop), I agree with the reasoning on finding a fold usually. Most people live are not going to play a HUGE pot without a HUGE hand. Unless you have a strong read (not wishful thinking) or have enough information from previous hands that the villain will do so, find an easier spot. That said, taking that line is exploitable by a really good opponent. Which is yet another reason why, when I'm playing live, I try to identify the good opponents and avoid them!

Btw, one quick point on my previous online play...
From reading these forums, I now know how big an idiot I was to be playing online without any tracking software as an aid. Back then, i could win at 10NL, but was hit or miss at 25NL. I'd occasionally play 50 or 100, but would get smoked sooner or later. While my play has TONS of room for growth, I also realize how much of an information disadvantage I was at. Hope my donations at those levels went to some of the good folks on here. :D
 
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You will never be able to make a list of what should be done with JJ in this spot unless you are always playing with the exact same people sitting in the exact same seats with the exact same actions from them in every hand.
 
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