quick question

RSdavid46 · Apr 25, 2012

Is it good to set yourself a limit for example: earn $10 and only $10 a day at the current stakes playin etc? or is it a bad habit?

I have a bankroll management plan but what often happens is i raise some cash and since i have a lot of time, i play a lot of hours and at the end of the day i loosen up as i get bored after playing for so long and loose it.

I know the best option would be to get a break but if i have nothing else to do i just play.

Currently playing on 0.01/0.02 blinds trying to earn a BR of 125$ to move up to 0.02/0.05 (i have $71.40 right now)

RSdavid46 · Apr 25, 2012

oh and is playing 1hour sessions good? and then having a 5-10minute break ?

WVHillbilly · Apr 25, 2012

Breaks are good. Also look at your history to see when you should be quitting for the day. Hint: Make it just before you "loosen up as i get bored".

micromachine · Apr 25, 2012

WVHillbilly said:
Breaks are good. Also look at your history to see when you should be quitting for the day. Hint: Make it just before you "loosen up as i get bored".

This.

I've found I play can optimally for up to ~2hours before starting to make mistakes.

bullishwwd · Apr 25, 2012

One should NEVER play poker when really "tired" OR "bored" OR "sick" unless they are willing to lose because losing is more likely than winning under these circumstances.

stg1969 · Apr 25, 2012

bullishwwd said:
One should NEVER play poker when really "tired" OR "bored" OR "sick" unless they are willing to lose because losing is more likely than winning under these circumstances.

LOL... got 5 kids, i should NEVER play poker. Number 1 reason above permanently applies.

bullishwwd · Apr 25, 2012

"Is it good to set yourself a limit for example: earn $10 and only $10 a day at the current stakes playin etc? or is it a bad habit?"

I am not that good at cash games, but have found that by setting myself a "goal objective" on BOTH the loss side and win side is a good thing (at least for me).

THIS WORKS BEST FOR ME: If I lose down to 1/2 of my buy-in, I leave the table; if I "double" my buy-in, I leave the table.

Some sort of adherence to "discipline" in poker and life is a good thing! Knowing when to FOLD...Knowing when to leave can be a winning thing.

WVHillbilly · Apr 25, 2012

That's a pretty horrible way to play and here is why:

Let's say you sit down at a HU table with $100 and the worst player ever sits down to your right. He limps every hand. If you shove he calls every time. He also never raises or bets postflop. Just calls.

On the 1st hand he limps, you have AA and shove . His 83o makes 2 pair and he wins. Using your logic you leave down $100.

Same scenario except this time your AA holds. Again you leave. This time up $100.

Now a correct thinking individual would reload in the 1st case and stay in his seat in the 2nd. You should be willing to sit with a player like that until he has $0 left in his account and you should always have enough buy-ins in your account to be able to withstand the swings until that happens.

If you need to limit your play, set an amount of time or a number of hands to play in a session but setting stop/loss or stop/wins is just wrong imo.

Matt Vaughan · Apr 25, 2012

WVHillbilly said:
That's a pretty horrible way to play and here is why:

Let's say you sit down at a HU table with $100 and the worst player ever sits down to your right. He limps every hand. If you shove he calls every time. He also never raises or bets postflop. Just calls.

On the 1st hand he limps, you have AA and shove . His 83o makes 2 pair and he wins. Using your logic you leave down $100.

Same scenario except this time your AA holds. Again you leave. This time up $100.

Now a correct thinking individual would reload in the 1st case and stay in his seat in the 2nd. You should be willing to sit with a player like that until he has $0 left in his account and you should always have enough buy-ins in your account to be able to withstand the swings until that happens.

If you need to limit your play, set an amount of time or a number of hands to play in a session but setting stop/loss or stop/wins is just wrong imo.

So much this. Knowing when to stop won't come with hard rules based on wins or losses anyway. They will rarely line up with when you are tired or bored anyway... If you have lost down to half your buy-in, maybe it's because you're card-dead and spewing, but it could just as easily have been a suckout, and if you're not tilted, there's no reason to leave. Just reload and take them down. Similar goes for if you're up a lot - maybe you got lucky, but if you're playing well and there are fish in the water, better to stick around as long as you're mentally up for it. JMHO.

RSdavid46 · Apr 25, 2012

i have the same problem as u micromachine, i play 1-2hours and start making mistakes, its not because i get bored but i just start making mistakes and then slightly tilting.

micromachine · Apr 25, 2012

bullishwwd said:
If I lose down to 1/2 of my buy-in, I leave the table; if I "double" my buy-in, I leave the table.

Put auto top-up on to keep you at 100BB, otherwise you'll end up having to adjust to SS shove/fold bs play. Also, why leave when you double up? What if a massive fish is sitting to your right and he just reloaded??

I agree with WVH that time or hands goals are better than profit goals, but I do try to apply a stoploss of around 4BI because I know I am prone to tilt if I lose too much in one day.

bullishwwd · Apr 25, 2012

WVHillbilly said:
That's a pretty horrible way to play and here is why:

Let's say you sit down at a HU table with $100 and the worst player ever sits down to your right. He limps every hand. If you shove he calls every time. He also never raises or bets postflop. Just calls.

On the 1st hand he limps, you have AA and shove . His 83o makes 2 pair and he wins. Using your logic you leave down $100.

Same scenario except this time your AA holds. Again you leave. This time up $100.

Now a correct thinking individual would reload in the 1st case and stay in his seat in the 2nd. You should be willing to sit with a player like that until he has $0 left in his account and you should always have enough buy-ins in your account to be able to withstand the swings until that happens.

If you need to limit your play, set an amount of time or a number of hands to play in a session but setting stop/loss or stop/wins is just wrong imo.

That's why I'm not that good at cash games and seldom play them. And, the reason I leave the table after doubling up is so I'll not lose it all back and then some.

micromachine · Apr 25, 2012

RSdavid46 said:
i have the same problem as u micromachine, i play 1-2hours and start making mistakes, its not because i get bored but i just start making mistakes and then slightly tilting.

Then, my friend, you know what to do

Kenzie 96 · Apr 25, 2012

bullishwwd said:
One should NEVER play poker when really "tired" OR "bored" OR "sick" unless they are willing to lose because losing is more likely than winning under these circumstances.

Spelling lose correctly may be grounds for banishment, so watch it. I'm just sayin.

chris808 · Apr 26, 2012

Didnt you say you just built you BR up to 1K just a few days ago, what happend to that??

stg1969 · Apr 26, 2012

Kenzie 96 said:
Spelling lose correctly may be grounds for banishment, so watch it. I'm just sayin.

I love it...thats one of my pet hates, and it's the most misspelt word going.

I usually end up saying, if to not win is to loose, what on earth is your arse?

RSdavid46 · Apr 26, 2012

chris as i have explained in a different thread, i withdrawed it and decided to start from the lowest blinds.

Big_Rudy · Apr 26, 2012

Kenzie 96 said:
Spelling lose correctly may be grounds for banishment, so watch it. I'm just sayin.

stg1969 said:
I love it...thats one of my pet hates, and it's the most misspelt word going.

I usually end up saying, if to not win is to loose, what on earth is your arse?

+1,000,000. One of my pet peeves as well. Although, I must admit, we have lots of "loosers" in this forum. Looser than whom is an open question

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Big_Rudy · Apr 26, 2012

RSdavid46 said:
Is it good to set yourself a limit for example: earn $10 and only $10 a day at the current stakes playin etc? or is it a bad habit?

I have a bankroll management plan but what often happens is i raise some cash and since i have a lot of time, i play a lot of hours and at the end of the day i loosen up as i get bored after playing for so long and loose it.

I know the best option would be to get a break but if i have nothing else to do i just play.

Currently playing on 0.01/0.02 blinds trying to earn a BR of 125$ to move up to 0.02/0.05 (i have $71.40 right now)

Right now I'm in SnG hell, but when I played cash I would routinely set time limits for my play and take a forced break for 10-15 minutes once those limits were reached.

As for $ limits, I generally think stop-win limits are a terrible idea. Why would you voluntarily leave a game in which you are winning? Makes no sense to me unless some other factors have changed as well.

However, I generally think stop-loss limits, as long as you set a reasonable limit, are usually a pretty good idea. It looks like you're at 2nl, so $10 would be 5BI. That seems a reasonable limit for a session to me. My thinking on this is either:
a) you're getting out-played at your table
b) you're game has slipped and you are no longer playing your best, or
c) you're actually playing pretty well and are at a good table, but all those beats to put you down 5BI are quite likely to tilt you anyway and playing while tilted can never be good.

Arjonius · Apr 26, 2012

Limiting your maximum win is an awful idea. You should aim to play when and where you're +EV, although that's not necessarily as straightforward as it sounds because a number of variables can factor in, such as these examples (there are more so don't take this as anywhere near a full list):

There are times when I can play my A game for several hours, and others when I either can't play it at all or fall below after less time.

The opponents don't remain the same, so even if I'm playing my A game, I can go from +EV to a lower +EV or even to -EV as the make-up of my table changes if the weaker players leave and are replaced by better ones. .

Maybe I'm only playing my B game, but it may still be +EV if I drop down in levels and play weaker opponents, or if my table gets weaker which can happen if the better players are replaced by weaker ones, if they fall off there A games but continue to play, etc.

chris808 · Apr 27, 2012

OP, Mate you said on the 14th you had no BR, a week later you said you built a BR of 1K "just playing whatever" then withdrew 700 and now your playing NL2 with $78. Not trying to get at you, it's just alot of your posts seem to contradict each other.

RSdavid46 · Apr 27, 2012

i got lucky a couple of times in a row in heads up and won a 500$ game (my bankroll was 504$ which i earned from previous heads up)

I know it was not skill but pure luck

chris808 · Apr 27, 2012

You spent your whole bankroll on a HU game?

GWU73 · Apr 29, 2012

It is time to stop when you realize you are making bad decisions. I also call it a day if I lose 3 buy ins - even if I feel I have played well.

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