Question about bet sizing

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Hey guys, just made an account to ask this question :)
I'm playing Bovada so I can't use an effective HUD, but I'm playing 6 handed.50/.25 NL. I can't recall this happening before, but 3 times today I'll be the preflop aggressor, 4BB or so, one caller, and the flop will come down all the same suit and I didn't catch a piece of it. The villain however, donks a pot sized bet, all 3 instances I was curious, I call it, and on the turn of a different suit they still pot it..at this point I don't feel like losing a stack, so I fold, but 3 different opponents at different tables, will they ever have the nuts in these situations? Or is this just good ol Bovada logic.
 
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I find donk bets on super wet boards tend to be pretty monstrous draws. These bets into the pre flop aggressor are just trying to inflate the pot so if they complete their draw it becomes extremely profitable. Pretty tough to bet into you otherwise, unless they've got your range narrowed that much.
 
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I am not the most experienced person here. I will offer my input anyways.



There are a few different reasons why your opponents would donk-lead into you on a monotone board.

1. They flopped a small flush, and they are trying to protect it.
2. They have something like TP, 2P, a set, and they don't want you to blow them off the hand.
3. They have a monster draw, like 1 of that suit, and they want to set their own price to draw and/or just make you fold.
4. Least likely of all scenarios, they are bluffing and want to make you fold because the board is scary.



Now, if you flop nothing at all, no pair, no draw, etc, why would you ever just call? Even if villain has nothing, what will calling accomplish? I would just fold if I didn't connect with the board. Unless you have some really good read on villain, you can't continue. You have very little equity.



However, there might be a rare occurrence where you read villains soul or something and push him off the hand with a big bluff on the flop, or on a later street. But this is pretty risky. Just fold if you totally missed. Save yourself the money.



That is all.
 
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if you have a draw flush or a top pair you can continue otherwise you are inflating a pot that you are going to lose almost everytime, because if the villain is bluffing and you are not sure then you are not going to keep his pace in turn and river so you eventually are going to fold,

if he is no bluffing worse because you are betting against the nuts

so best decision is to fold and if it happens ten more times well is part of variance no fault on the site
 
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Welcome to CardsChat.

Joined for the question, stayed for the answers.

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If you have a good read on villain then I understand flatting the flop to steal on the turn but in 3 different games with 3 different people is not a good idea. For instance, your multi -tabeling so you really don't have good reads on these players, in this scenario you have to just play abc poker and throw it away on the flop.
 
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I would consider my hands' equity against the entire range of hands I think may play this way. Make sure you have nut draws, two pairs, straight and flush draws, and most times (assuming he isn't an idiot playing everyhand and donking every other) then I think most times you aren't going to have enough equity , unless you have overpair with one of same suit, or flopped set, etc. or he is Short Stacked and it is a 3b pot. Don't make a habit of always doing the same thing but most times you can find a better spot and don't worry about the small pot you gave up. Assuming he had two overs and one of the suit he has a lot of equity against you.

But I think you were asking is this a standard play. I don't think it is standard with complete air, but it is not a bad line to balance your donk range.
 
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This isn't really a "question about bet sizing" at all...

Bean's post is good. If you don't have any draws or made hands, get out. You certainly aren't losing much by folding your air to donk bets.
 
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