QQ (top pair) vs set?

champ_mc99 · Dec 9, 2017

Action folds to me in SB. I raise 3BB with QQ and BB calls.

Flop comes 6 7 J rainbow. Villain is TAG so he wouldn't call PF with 6 7s.

I make a 3/4 pot bet - villain min-raises so I shove.

Villain calls, flips over J J and wins pot.

Feedback guys?

Normally I wouldn't shove but last time I played this flop - villain had hit bottom pair and re-raised me so I flat called. He did the same thing on the turn and went all in on the river. Turns out he had hit bottom pair on the flop and made a two pair by the river.

Maybe folding is the best move when you hold a large pocket pair on a dry board facing a min-raise? (Assuming we don't know our opponent much)

EllinLucky · Dec 10, 2017

The set can not be recognized 100%.
I think you played correctly in this situation. But maybe you could do a re-raise and fold.
And further. Tag calls with 67 to protect the blinds.

Andrew Popov · Dec 10, 2017

Seth is always a nightmare. An even bigger nightmare in 6+ Hold'em (there is a set older than a straight!). You have practically no chance to prevent the opponent from getting a set. No board protects from the set - only more coordinated. All you can do is study your villain. Play aggressively against short, respect raises from a larger stack or risk everything. Poker is always a game with the unknown and the set is the most important, unreadable surprise.[COLOR=inherit !important]

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Vlad symrak · Dec 10, 2017

our situation is clear to me and I would do the same, but no one is insured from this, no one has excluded poker from success ... If you learn to throw off a couple of DDs or KK or AA, then you've become a real professional !!! Good luck!

starting_at_the_bottom · Dec 10, 2017

Not really sure what the point of the flop shove was on such a dry board.

What kind of game and what stake was it?

champ_mc99 · Dec 10, 2017

starting_at_the_bottom said:
Not really sure what the point of the flop shove was on such a dry board.

What kind of game and what stake was it?

What do you think was the better move?

5NL (2/5c) Full ring - both our stacks with 100BB

froggeedogs · Dec 10, 2017

no other way to play it. you have to shove, just unlucky. happens sometimes.

nucl · Dec 10, 2017

champ_mc99 said:
What do you think was the better move?

5NL (2/5c) Full ring - both our stacks with 100BB

You cannot do something there.
Sometimes poker is cruel.

But you said opponent was TAG.
So the range of opponent on the flop is pretty thin.The only value hands that he have are 66/77/AJ/sometimes KJ and rarely JJ(JJ almost always will 3bet on a blind vs blind battle).

So if you had some kind of read on him then folding isn't that bad.
But I personally will call him almost always.You beat some of his Jx,straight draws and you aren't doing poorly against two pair.

Blair29 · Dec 13, 2017

Well flatting JJ in the BB to a SB raise isn't the sign of a TAG, more a nit.

When a nit raises on a dry flop alarm bells should be going off. Going all in doesn't really achieve anything neither does re raising. Will a nit pay you off with a hand like AJ or KJ? Probably not.

If it were me I would call and go into check call mode. And if they start betting huge I'd fold.

zohnum · Dec 13, 2017

champ_mc99 said:
Action folds to me in SB. I raise 3BB with QQ and BB calls.

Flop comes 6 7 J rainbow. Villain is TAG so he wouldn't call PF with 6 7s.

I make a 3/4 pot bet - villain min-raises so I shove.

Villain calls, flips over J J and wins pot.

Feedback guys?

Normally I wouldn't shove but last time I played this flop - villain had hit bottom pair and re-raised me so I flat called. He did the same thing on the turn and went all in on the river. Turns out he had hit bottom pair on the flop and made a two pair by the river.

Maybe folding is the best move when you hold a large pocket pair on a dry board facing a min-raise? (Assuming we don't know our opponent much)