QQ help in 4nl

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If I'm in the small blind with QQ and there is a raise from the button to 10 cent, should I flat or reraise , flop was 474 rainbow so I bet out and took the pot down, what's the correct play here?
 
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5NL/FR cash, deepstacked?
Was it folded to the CO?
3B prolly....
 
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i dont like queens. But it depends on your opponent, if he has been raising pre-flop with an Ace or King in the hole, you might want to flat and bet him off the flop if the A or K does not come.

Even if you hit your set on the flop, your opponent could need runner-runner for broadway (or less)

People will tend to play the broadway draw far stronger than other straight draws (as you will have the chance of pairing relatively high cards if you miss.

doubt I helped, but this is my thought process when i get QQ :)
 
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I would have 3 bet and probably flatted or even folded against nit if he 4 bet me.. Reason being against nits it would be very difficult to get any chips after the flop if they don't hit. And co I would assume you are crushing 90 percent of his range. If an a or k hits the flop then it's okay to see showdown cheaply or fold.

I think he probably has a pocket pair or Broadway cards. If he cold calls your raise post flop and 3 bets you after the turn I would almost always put him on a set.

Don't know if it was useful just thoughts.

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I think its a definite 3 bet PF, unknown I'd say his range consists of any broadway, A8o+, any A suited, suited connectors + 1-2 gappers and possibly even off suit connectors and gaps. And that's probably giving more credit than I should. As he is IP I expect him to call enough of the time to make this profitable with the range above AND fire a barrel when he sees a check from me in position.

With the flop above I'd feel very comfortable check raising just to snap off that little bit of value when he fires IP. If he checks behind it will all depend on the turn card.......
 
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Like the others said this is a great spot to three bet in.
 
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If somebody raise you before the flop and you had QQ, than in my opinion you should re-raise or go all-in.
 
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If somebody raise you before the flop and you had QQ, than in my opinion you should re-raise or go all-in.
.....so that when they DO call your all-in, they crush your with either AA or KK and you are @ a huge disadvantage. Def 3bet this here. You are out of position and need to make up for that.
 
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Christ on a cracker there is some awful advice in this thread.

Typically, villains will raise with a wider range from the button to include

QT+, 99+, Ax+, K9+

QQ crushes this raise.

Winning poker is all about getting lessor hands to call than what they are worth as well as getting more money in the pot while you have an equity advantage.

Raising with QQ in this spot is completely 100% standard, the only question is, how much should we raise?

Whenever you bet or raise you NEVER want to bet such that a lessor hand can not call. Shoving all-in with QQ here is a mistake UNLESS we know villain is a spewtard that will call us with any pair (putting us on AK) or will call with AK/AQ and KQ type hands. If this is villain than by all means we should shove. However, if our villain has half a brain and will fold his weaker range to a shove then we just want to bet what we think he will call. So standard would be to raise him 3x to 4x his bet or whatever we noticed he will call. If we know he will call 5x or 8x his bet then that is what we bet.
 
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.....so that when they DO call your all-in, they crush your with either AA or KK and you are @ a huge disadvantage. Def 3bet this here. You are out of position and need to make up for that.

And what if they don't have AA or KK.
Maybe the opponent have KQ or KJ, and you think that he will go all-in.
 
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And what if they don't have AA or KK.
Maybe the opponent have KQ or KJ, and you think that he will go all-in.

Why would an opponent with a wide raising range on the button ever call an all in with KJ or KQ? Even complete novices are probably folding here....I'm sorry if I came off rude before, but all in with qq unless you are playing a spewtard is very very bad imo. If they don't have AA or KK it matters not. Maybe most of the time, when they have hands like kq and kj etc, they fold and your all in worked "in theory." But the times when you are in this situation and they DO hold something like AA KK AK etc, they are snap calling and you are at a huge disadvantage against this range. This is why its a bad play....better off calling a 4bet here oop than shoving....but hey, thats just me.
 
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Why would an opponent with a wide raising range on the button ever call an all in with KJ or KQ? Even complete novices are probably folding here....I'm sorry if I came off rude before, but all in with qq unless you are playing a spewtard is very very bad imo. If they don't have AA or KK it matters not. Maybe most of the time, when they have hands like kq and kj etc, they fold and your all in worked "in theory." But the times when you are in this situation and they DO hold something like AA KK AK etc, they are snap calling and you are at a huge disadvantage against this range. This is why its a bad play....better off calling a 4bet here oop than shoving....but hey, thats just me.


Ok and if we 3bet and he then shoves, assuming he is a spewtard (like most 4nl players are) we snap call right?
 
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