Originally Posted by xastaria
I don't know if you can use as a rule value or protection because every situation is different, if you playing against someone who knows the game(pot,odds and his hand strength) value and protection can work...but if you playing against calling station who opens all his hands and you can not put him in a range of hands what you can do???And so many more examples you can think....In my opinion the most important is to understand your opponents!!!
In the situation above you can still range your opponent as you progress street by street. This is also when position comes into play allowing for pot control. If villain is calling/opening wide then you are value betting when you are ahead of his perceived range. As you progress through the streets you can narrow this perceived range and bet check accordingly. YES SOMETIMES YOU WILL LOSE when he has some goofy back door straight against your set etc but through pot control and extracting max value you will win against these players in the long run, in fact this is where most of your profit will come from.
I will also call down pretty wide in these spots as you can allow like a 15% WTF factor when they will just be making plays that have no explanation. You should always be looking to play pots with these people IP when your option to pot control and extract maximum value is greatest.
So to answer you question what can you do? Open much tighter when OOP position against these opp and value bet hard/aggressive but dont get married to your hand. When this passive fish raises your turn or river bet... he usually just has it so a fold is fine when not close to the nuts. When IP the opposite is true open/Call/3B wide against these opp IP and capitalise on their mistakes post-flop where your skill edge will give you the advantage. These players are your ATM if you adjust your game accordingly.
Of course understanding your opponent is key, and opponents will differ but the questions you ask yourself in the process are always more or less the same as there is a finite number of options available to you. To bet or not is one of these key questions and understanding why you should or should not bet is of great importance no matter the opp. Wen faced with the decision to bet the first question should always be "Am i betting for value or as a bluff", not a statement "ooo I should bet here to protect my hand" because what you should be looking at is WHY?
Why should you bet here to protect your hand? Is it probably the best hand but vulnerable? Yes, eg. 77 on 348r board against a tight BB call, then bet large to fold out the most of the defending range of your tight opp and get VALUE
from those that choose to float or draw, not protect. No, eg. 77 on AQ10r against the same tight BB call, firing here is never for value and is turning your hand into a BLUFF
No matter the situation, no matter the opponent, this process can be applied. The individual differences are bet sizing, how thinly we can value bet, how often and how big we can/should bluff etc... But why are we betting will always come down to value or bluff... not protection.
But I guess this is just my opinion....