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You often hear people crying about KK... Oh someone called with their Ax and hit their ace on the river.

I'm here to complain about hands 10's JJ's and QQ's
So often these days i'm betting 4xBB in any position. And i'm getting called.
As a general rule I think 3/4 of the time if the cards flop lower than mine and aren't connected well..*dry* ... I'm home.

But lately I've been getting run over with people with Higher pocket pairs. Obv if i'm continually betting and they are calling, it means they have strength... Not many people seem to be betting or calling with top pair these days and min ppl would be calling with higher pockets or two pair or even a set.

It just feels like anything less than KK is doomed from the start. Argh!

I read something a while back on here which says... People on pokerstars are way too damn nitty, that sums up how I feel... And what makes it worse is, I feel I win when i'm even nittier/TAG ... I'm having a rest for a couple days due to being on tilt cause it's obvious I need a break from online thinking this way. It's just another hand and move on, but seriously how tight are ppl online and I understand because the flops are so top heavy. THEN when you hit a downswing even the LAGs who don't seem to exist come out the woodworks and call you with anything and run you over. HELL i can only play LAG live, pokerstars seems to not allow it with the card generator.

Anyways that's my complaining thread for the day :)
 
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i will say..i don't play aggressive with my KK's or AA's because most of the time I can squeeze out more money but I've just started playing online and same result as you someone always manages to suck out with odd hands and it's because of this is why I don't play aggressive because it seems online, it doesn't matter..aggressive or tight, a lot of people are calling with anything and getting "lucky"..that's just how I feel
 
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i will say..i don't play aggressive with my KK's or AA's because most of the time I can squeeze out more money but I've just started playing online and same result as you someone always manages to suck out with odd hands and it's because of this is why I don't play aggressive because it seems online, it doesn't matter..aggressive or tight, a lot of people are calling with anything and getting "lucky"..that's just how I feel

Your feelings couldn't be more wrong.

@Aces - I'm sure it will pick up man, we've all been there. Just a downswing is all, take a break and when you come back I'm sure you'll play better.
 
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If you have HM or PT take a look at your TT-AA hands, overall. Break even? -$? I don't think so. These hands bring you a lot of money. They call to much? good. Think about what happens when you hit a set with poket pairs and he has big overpairs, or when you have an overpair and he call call call with TP. It's just a BE or a downswing period, try to stay calm and focused to make the right decisions. Good times will come !
 
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I'm with you on this one! 4 tourneys in a row I was dealt pocket queens in position, made a raise got called by one player, then followed dry flops. I was check raised all in to be beaten by KK,AA, trip jacks and AK I relatively new to online poker so I think I was just playing bad but I still found it extremely frustrating!
 
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I have PT ... how do I check what hands i'm winning with and losing with? I just been using PT to see stats on other players to change up my strategy with them per hand.
 
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Your best hope for playing any pocket pair besides AA,KK,or QQ is to just play small ball and try to catch trips. (if your playing in a huge table)
 
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Your best hope for playing any pocket pair besides AA,KK,or QQ is to just play small ball and try to catch trips. (if your playing in a huge table)


Whats a huge table?

But beside that, your answer is wrong on so many levels.....
 
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When I first started on this forum that's how I felt as well fletchdad... But you get so much more value and your harder to play against when you open raise the same as you would AA AK...

PPL tend to pay you off as well thinking you'll have medium pockets when in fact you'll hit trip aces and they'll have like AK ... anyways readup barracuda ask more questions. They know what they are talking about.
 
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Hint::: To begin with, when you play any PP you dont try to catch trips.

PP's can be profitable in many ways. You dont need a set to make money off a PP lower than Q. It doesent hurt of course, but only playing QQ+ is.....well.... not optimal.
 
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Yes when the board pairs up, it really increases your PP value esp if it's above the paired.
 
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Your feelings couldn't be more wrong.

@Aces - I'm sure it will pick up man, we've all been there. Just a downswing is all, take a break and when you come back I'm sure you'll play better.

really? because my experience says other wise. Example: playing 1/2 cash game, i'm dealt Aces. i rarely raise just on the fact i like to disguise my hands, however since this is a cash game i raise to 20 and i get one call. flop comes something like 9 10 4. i pot bet and villian calls. turn comes J. pot bet again..villain calls. River comes 4. i check , he checks..turns over trip 4's. He had something like 7 4. How does a serious player call a pre flop raise with 7 4? This was live..but in my earlier post i was pointing out online play and i see AA and KK get crushed and cracked too many times than i can't count..not just if i shove with them when i'm forced to, but by many other players.
Playing aggressive is futile when you're playing with calling stations.
 
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really? because my experience says other wise. Example: playing 1/2 cash game, i'm dealt Aces. i rarely raise just on the fact i like to disguise my hands, however since this is a cash game i raise to 20 and i get one call. flop comes something like 9 10 4. i pot bet and villian calls. turn comes J. pot bet again..villain calls. River comes 4. i check , he checks..turns over trip 4's. He had something like 7 4. How does a serious player call a pre flop raise with 7 4? This was live..but in my earlier post i was pointing out online play and i see AA and KK get crushed and cracked too many times than i can't count..not just if i shove with them when i'm forced to, but by many other players.
Playing aggressive is futile when you're playing with calling stations.

Pot Control is easier against calling stations esp in live games at the casino. Lose 40-60 dollar pots... 3rd pot you win $180 :) ... make sure you exploit them by paying the price for your stronger hands, and see your weaker hands cheaper!


After seeing that board most ppl will be scared of the straight or a even trips.. So u play enuff hands you realise your less likely to win and you just hope the damage isn't going to be bad, and occasionally you'll be surprised and win that hand as well :) *bonus* and a sign u have momentum
 
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Aces, I was commenting on other ppls statement in your thread. So to get back to your OP.

I do really get where you are coming from. It is a hard line to balance at times. But you just have to approach each hand separately. I love 99-JJ. I remember the old saying "There are 3 ways to play JJ, and they are all wrong". I used to HATE getting JJ. But it was my not being able to slow down with them or giving up to easy when an A or K hit to overly agro players (among many other things) that was the problem. Not saying that is what you are doing, but it was me back then. I used to open 99-TT-JJ-QQ in EP-MP (still do) and c bet many flops, and if an A was there, and my cbet got raised, I just let it go. Or I am IP, and get c/r on an A high flop. Of course the entire texture makes a lot of difference, i.e. I raise my 99, get called, and the flop is A Q J or A T T, I am gonna proceed differently to a raise OTF then on A 2 2, or A 7 4. But, again, it is position, opponent and table dynamics.

I am a lot nittyer than I used to be, but a lot more aggressive as well. Both have been working out well.

Of course, I am talking strictly online, and I am sure live there is a big difference in dynamics.
 
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Well i did a good play with 22 earlier tonight.
raiser of 15 which was the going rate of 1/3 turbo

3 callers .. flop comes out 996 ... 2 checks someone raises 21... i raise 42 everyone folds except 1 guy, and he had nothing but air which was bizzare and i got a decent size pot for 22 :) .. before i joined cardchat those hands didn't exist i would never 3bet or even call a 15... but now i'm starting to add a bit more fire power to my game which gives me promise.


But theres a lot of improvement needed elsewhere at the sametime.
 
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