Fold pre. I like shoving river as played.
What do you mean fold pre???
with 111bb effective and a 3x raise I don't think this is ever a fold pre at 6max.
you're going to c/f the flop the vast majority of the time and not get paid off when you hit very often = -EV call preflop.
This hand is a best-case scenario where we hit vs. TPTK AND the flush draw misses and we still don't get stacks.
Calling here preflop can be part of a general preflop strategy to flat with hands that play well postflop, like suited broadways, and to be able to barrel a polarized range of big draws, sets and bluffs vs. regs. But in a vacuum and especially in Zoom, we are not going to make money with a strategy of "ZOMG POCKET PAIR, MUST CALL."
Calling was fine pre flop, you had excellent implied odds. I do not think a shove is getting called unless you get a raise or overbet in on the flop or turn.
You don't have to stack off to get good implied odds. He got paid off for 4.90 after the flop on a 0.20 call pre. That's 24.5:1 on an 8.5:1 draw.Your post is 2 sentence that essentially mean the exact opposite of each other.
If we can't get stacks in when we both hit, we don't really have excellent implied odds.
He didn't say good implied odds. He said excellent. Excellent would have won 100bb.You don't have to stack off to get good implied odds. He got paid off for 4.90 after the flop on a 0.20 call pre. That's 24.5:1 on an 8.5:1 draw.
Why? Here is what usually happens, we miss, he cbets, and we fold. Sometimes we hit, we bet, and he folds because his range isn't that strong being in LP and all. Rarely, we hit, he hits, and we win a decent sized pot (this hand for example).LOL at folding pre. If you can't call .20c against a 3x lp raise from the bb with a pocket pair 100+ bbs deep, you should move down in stakes or quit or something...
LOL at folding pre. If you can't call .20c against a 3x lp raise from the bb with a pocket pair 100+ bbs deep, you should move down in stakes or quit or something...
did he just tell WV to move down?
LOL, you're a funny one.. that made my day.
wide range = no implied odds
+ we miss a lot and check fold or have no clue what to do, we can't float/pot control/do much since we're OOP.. its a fold pre.
people telling other people that they're bad and then spew bullshit theory..
did he just tell WV to move down?
LOL, you're a funny one.. that made my day.
wide range = no implied odds
+ we miss a lot and check fold or have no clue what to do, we can't float/pot control/do much since we're OOP.. its a fold pre.
people telling other people that they're bad and then spew bullshit theory..
Last time I checked, WV wasn't advocating folding, certainly at no point before I posted, and WV isn't playing .05-.10, and I specifically said .20c... not $20... not 2 bbs. Try reading before laughing. It's helps with the comprehension of what someone's saying.
Why? Here is what usually happens, we miss, he cbets, and we fold. Sometimes we hit, we bet, and he folds because his range isn't that strong being in LP and all. Rarely, we hit, he hits, and we win a decent sized pot (this hand for example).
Actually I think flatting here is MUCH better at micro stakes than it is higher. At least at microstakes you'll have many more people willing to stack with a single pair postflop.
seems like he wants to call. (sarcasm)
think its you that's got it mixed up, so I'll carry on laughing.
also money differences don't matter, 2bb is 2bb whatever the limit.